“Yes as said above a different time he would be different. I assert if he never left Scotland he would still be in the bookies, drinking wine and telling tall stories perhaps with his head in a book by the banks of the River Clyde as kids safely passed him. ”
I have had some comments on a piece I wrote about Ian Brady recently and this is by way of a reply. Well not quite a reply as I agree with most of what the writer says. This is more of a case of thinking out loud ……..
One of the problems with public (or private) debate is that for the most part it’s a form of entertainment. There’s nothing wrong with that but it’s something that must be kept in mind. It’s like the idea most of us have about education…..but that’s another issue for another time.
Just a few words in passing about Myra Hindley. They said that if she hadn’t met Brady she would not have become a killer. But it’s not as simple as that. What if she had become a nurse or care worker in an old peoples home? I can well imagine her helping ease some old dear out of her pain while slipping a gold watch or wedding ring into her bag. We are told she was a better scholar than Brady , a practical woman who could do well if she applied herself. Yes , but not a great mind. The fact that she fooled at lot of people just tell’s us something about them but not about her. She certainly never seems to have been able to …..how can I put it…. see the ’big picture’ at least in so far as her own self interest was concerned. A clever girl but nothing special.
But Brady is a different kettle of fish. As a young men he attempted to distance himself from , as he saw it , the common herd. He wanted to stand out and be noticed as we all do. He achieved his ambition. I should say here that I don’t think he killed to become famous but he did become famous. He made it. When Ian Brady dies his death will be announced to the four corners of the world. So let’s not prevaricate on this issue , his is a great success story. It’s important to keep that in mind.
”Be careful of what you wish for….” We are all familiar with this as is Brady himself and he like us has found himself looking back with the benefit of hindsight and pondering on the mistakes he’s made. He has written of this and how perhaps he got it all wrong. But this is what we all do and it has no importance. If it proves anything it’s that everything has it’s price and life , as it passes , brings regrets.
It might seem that this is a misplaced hymn of praise – no more than a fool praising a fool- perhaps , but Brady at least is no ordinary fool. And as for the minutiae of debate , the facts , they are important but we arrive at our conclusions either way. More important is that we should have clear vision , see what’s before our eyes and recognise who’s pulling the strings. And it’s not Brady , in spite of all the effords of newspaper men and politicians who are at one in trying to convince us that Brady is a master manipulator we must wonder why they try so hard. Could it be that while focusing our attention thus they hope we will not notice who’s hands are on the controls?
Brady made it to the top. Just like James Cagney. He didn’t kill as many people as Chief of the General Staff Sir Richard Dannatt but he managed to make it in spite of this. It is of course inevitable that we should judge him but I believe in civil society and order which is to say I believe as most do that queuing should be encouraged. In both the Home Office and Foreign Office and a hundred and other places there are killers worse than Brady so let’s at least be consistant. And in the British way of doing things we must above all be fair. So let’s have a queue.
Michael Collinsis a hero. Well every school kid in Ireland is told he’s a hero. Honored by the Irish nation and people. There’s something like a reverence when his name is mentioned. He’d have shot my mother through the head without a thought. If someone had said , back in those days , if someone had said , “That woman’s a British agent , an informer” , whatever the words he’d have shot her dead in the street like a dog. And after the killing he would have mounted the rostrum side by side with the local ‘father’ and talked about Ireland’s destiny , meaning of course his own. He’d have killed her , woman or child, without a thought. A thug and psychopath. A cold blooded killer. Give me a letter of the alphabet , a day of the week , a month , a year and I’ll give you the name of a killer. But that’s too much to ask. But at least let’s agree and form a queue.
Have you ever noticed how the working class put down their own? They’ll say things like , as in the case of Brady , “he was just a Glasgow thug”. It’s a peculiarly working class thing. In my sixty years I have never heard the ruling class put their own down in such a manner. Never. As my mother used to say , “He didn’t pick that up from the street”. Nor do such attitudes float down from some distant planet. These pieces of ‘received wisdom’ are taught to us as is everything else. Think about it for a while. It’s a simple truth , we learn these attitudes just as surely as we learn our ABC’s. Or rather we are taught them. “I knew him when he hadn’t a shirt to his back”. How many thousands of times have we heard this? And who was it who put young working class boy’s up against the wall in the time of the Great War and shot them dead but other working class boys? Oh yes , make no mistake they trained us well. It’s in the DNA. It’s a part of our very being. But like I said , “We didn’t pick it up from the streets”.
“Work will make you free” and so will education. But everything has a price. You get nothing for nothing. Everything has a price tag even if you can’t see it. But that’s something for another day.
Ian Brady: A working class hero ? Why not. But what about the victims? Cruel though it may sound they have nothing to do with it. They are dead and we can’t bring them back. But Brady’s not dead. But they have buried him none the less. A political prisoner? Without a doubt. The crimes an existential exercise? Yes , no question about that. The fact that he did not understand , that he had at best a half baked notion of what that meant simply tells us that he was as yet naive , a young man with little experience in life. He uses big words when they are not appropriate which is common enough with the self educated. He might , as most do , have grown out of that. Maybe being in prison and secure mental hospitals for a lifetime has something to do with it. I really don’t know.
He wrote a book , “The Gates of Janus” ( I’ll review it at a later date). It’s a bad book. A good editor would have handed it back and told him to start from scratch. But he didn’t have a good editor and even if he had had one I don’t think writing is his gift. “He could have gone places that lad” , but he did , he did. Young and naive , a working class kid , he killed his own. “Each man kills…” blah , blah , blah. “Words , Words , Words”. I read the same books he did and at about the same age as him. And like him I was naive. So innocent that I never realised that some men grow rich and powerful making sausages while other’s do the same producing books. And like him I believed most of it , the myth I mean , that books have to do with finding wisdom. I was so busy bettering myself that it never occurred to me that there was a price on everything and that it had nothing to do with the booksellers margin. The State and Revolution. No one pointed me in the direction of that one …..it took years for me to discover it , wasted years.
My father smoked a pipe. He would sit in his chair reading The Irish Press. He worked (free) for the cause(Ireland). They offered him a job one day after many years of service to this cause and he left the country , such was his disgust. They had insulted him without even knowing it. But still ,years later and exiled in London he would walk for miles to find a shop where he could buy irish butter , Kerrygold , Irish Creamery Butter. Just so that the money would go back to Ireland. He had little time for the British but was buried in a British grave. He used to joke that there would be thousands at his funeral. He’d smile , take the pipe out of his mouth and look at my mother and say , “The’re be thousands at my funeral.” And she , old before her years , ( working class but respectable) would look at him while she labored over a heavy stove , a weary look on her face….the kind of look peculiar to the ‘respectable’ working class…..(the’re wasn’t a sole at my father funeral).
“Here comes master home from school
who had a father for a fool…”
In the mean time , back in the real world , politicians were dragging the people into the Common Market. No one heard yet of ‘the free movement of labour’….but it was on it’s way. The new global capitalism was on the march….of course it had nothing to do with free anything. The rich got a lot lot richer and the middle class got onto the housing ladder. And the poor? They just got left behind. And just a little while back they released all the ‘political’ prisoners (drug pushers and killers) but the kids , the ordinary working class kids , left behind as always.
But what , you might say , has this to do with Ian Brady? Well , it has to do with knowing who the enemy is. I’m not a reasonable man and never have been. The reasonable man in my experience is the man with a full belly. To be reasonable is not a virtue. It’s a word for a set of values that we in turn were taught to value but it has no meaning for those who gave it to us in the first place. “Language is power”. Indeed , and you get nothing for nothing. They educated us well , well enough to labour in a literate world , but they didn’t do it to make us wise. They didn’t teach us etymology , not in my school but in the private schools I dare say they did. I’ll repeat myself here and say again , “Words are power”. But nobody told us that , we had to find out for ourselves.
And Brady a working class hero? In a world were every syllable has been made to serve the market , in a world like that I’m more than happy to shout it from the roofs. He’s one of our own and if we have to judge him then let him take his place in the queue. And if we are fair , if each is made to take his turn , then Brady’s turn will come. If we live long enough that is. It’s a long queue , a very long one. A political prisoner , yes and let’s not get sidetracked by morality , just read the Home Office reports and the those of the appeal court judges. Moral relativism , they wrote the book on it!! And how many billions , yes billions have died at the hands of this class. And these are the men who judge Ian Brady!!
But what about Keith Bennett? That’s a question the working class (and the ‘new’ middle class) ask and these judges are happy that we should occupy ourselves in this way. And my answer is simple. There is (or should be) a queue so let’s start with the billions first. How many Keith Bennett’s were there in those billions? Fair is fair , that’s another thing they taught us in school. So let’s be fair and take it one at a time.
Over the long years Brady has had many visitors. They come to him with an agenda , all of them , some to judge him , some to understand him and some to learn secrets. He plays games with them and why not. He know’s their question’s before they open their mouths. They queue up to see him. All of them , all of them looking for something. And it’s they who come to see him. There is a whole story to be told in that fact alone.
As I said at the beginning of this now too long post , debate is for the most part entertainment. And as Pessoa says , philosophy is the result of indigestion.
Eat chocolates, little girl:
Eat chocolates!
Look, there is no more metaphysics in the world than chocolates.
Look, all religions teach no more than the sweetshop does.
Eat, grubby little girl, eat!
If only I could eat chocolates with he same truth as you eat!
But I think and, as I pull off the silver paper that is tin foil,
I throw it all on the ground, as I have thrown life.
(fernando pessoa)
For other , shorter posts on Ian Brady click on his name on the right hand taskbar.
June 5, 2007 at 8:01 pm
[...] June 5th, 2007 Have you written to Moors Murder Ian Brady? Have you ever thought of writing him a letter? The question is rhetorical. But many people do just that. Over the years I often was tempted to write to him myself but I figured that he has enough people pestering him as it is. Of course those who do write to him do so for what is to them a good reason but it must get tedious for him none the less. Of those that I know of and those who over the years have visited him in prison and hospital it would seem they all are looking for something. Be it reporters or playwrights they are all after something. And not only that but they all make a point so saying what an evil man he is which begs the question of why they want to have his company or his correspondence in the first place. There are some who write to serial killers as a hobby or maybe to sell the letters on eBay or something like that. I am not knocking those who do write to him but I find it all a bit odd. I don’t mean those who write to him privately , there are some I’m sure who do so and keep it private as one would normally do with any such correspondence , I mean those who then go on to publish or otherwise advertise or even sell the letters. Below are a few quote’s from him . I wrote a couple of posts about Brady and as a result received some comments and decided to reply by way of a post or entry in my blog but as this turned out to a bit too long for a blog post I have uploaded it to my Pages. If you don’t want to navigate to the page just click HERE. [...]
June 13, 2007 at 11:43 am
Hi
I would like to point out there will be a major statement from Ian Stewart Brady within the next seven days according to his soliciter. Ian Brady has been sectoined under the mental health act but unfortunatly some you comment on the case have not.
Regards
John
June 13, 2007 at 11:54 am
Ian Bradys Solicitor is at
http://www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com/blogHome.php4?PHPSESSID=ba113d1c97715ca8848bdebe4443b94a
Were a major statement by Ian Brady will be relesed prior to media frenzy
Regards
John Doe
June 13, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Thank you John. I have in fact been keeping an eye on your site to see this statement and look foward to it…..I hope by the way that your not suggesting that I’m mad.
June 13, 2007 at 11:16 pm
Hi
Not at all, but some of the company you keep bears watching and is considerd by many serious researchers as bieng as mad as a bag of snakes.
Ps I have no web site and the you referance was a typoe that should have read WHO. Sorry
Blowing a bit of smoke here many of your comments about the case are quite refreshing.
Saterday the 16th of June is the 43rd aniversery of Keith Bennetts death. In the forty days Maddy has been missing over 1500 children have gone missing in the UK
Regards
John
June 17, 2007 at 10:17 pm
So he is going to reply finally, good as he is not getting his day out. Oh, and serious researchers ‘why have you not published the deliberate mistakes’.
Topping autobiography built on the confessions only of Myra Hindley showed that the record he was supposed to have given her did not exist, or is the Oldham Chronicle a time traveller. The Hill which he is said to have given her to celebrate the death of Pauline Reade which Paul Reade discounts as the actual events was not on the cinema till two years laters,
So will serious autobiographers who do research please tell me why this lie was made to fit a very good selling book as you check as a police officer any fact or lie before publication. It sold better than Fred Harrison who Ian Brady entrusted.
Due to fighting Ian Brady’s corner I am not in the desired circle, as it seems Myra felt a lot of people under the table in more ways than one. No researcher has found out why she ‘turned her beam on’ the nun and others, and why she had alternative lovers as in Ruth Ellis character she parasited. Gorton deserves better than a woman who claimed to be a girl. Even the BBC got it wrong calling her a 15 year old girl in documentaries. She was only fifteen in 1953 when she was strangling girls in Judo holds in class because she could.
June 17, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Correction. 1942 to 1962 is 20. She was 15 in 1955 and one of her many ‘lovers’ died in Greenfield I am told by Paula whe she tried to abduct as Ian knows in the town said so. He said a lot as did the man in uniform she was alternative lovers with. Only now thanks to Duncan Staff and Fred Harrison are Myra Hindley’s sluttish ways being revealed that locals knew all to well.
June 18, 2007 at 3:36 pm
To be sectioned you do not need to be mad but a danger to yourself, a self-harmer or to the general public. Madness is a term for the illiterate and the layman. As is those that cannot spell sectioned. It is an odd phrase is it not.
Ian Brady had to be sectioned or the Kray clan he upset with his smirks in prison would have killed him in a most ‘orrible’ way. They could not do as he did and infer that the victims were under a road as buried under, as they had buried people in concrete and he was next. John was buried as Ian bragged under the road as to the geology of it and his mental stimuli and they were buried in ‘banks’ or the foyers of in his mind. Myra let the boys play as we all know, but the men she had better delights that the childlike Ian never got to sample. I have heard of those delights from men now dead, and yet there are more that come and tell a tale. Ian was and is the ‘biggest fool that ever lived’ – Loch Ness line.
He was not a success as all that has came out of this is that a bastard became a serial killer, and that his mother was a woman who had sex before marriage, and that is his gift to her that the world will always remember as Ian Stewart and Peggie Stewart as the one who delivered him. So famous mother yes, and her dilemma. Very touching Ian, what a tribute to her you made.
June 18, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Thank you once more for all your comments which I do enjoy reading. Brady was of course a failure in so far as he ended up in prison but in the context of our celebrity culture driven society he was a huge sucess. And let’s face it , juvenile and immature as it may be , we would all like to be famous. And I do honestly belive that he is a man of great inner strenght. ….
June 21, 2007 at 8:36 pm
Oh, so as a infamous person like salmonella and ebola he is a success? Like Bundy who was educated and fought his corner in laymans language with no slut for a mattress he was and is a success? Ian Stewart is not a celebrity, he is point in history of a deranged man who had no territory, that had no homeland and that will be his legacy. There is infamy and fame and neither are in the pudding of immortality.
Ian Stewart has not yet stood the test and contacted the media to give this massive press release, nor will he as he still thinks he is important enough to be reasoned with. Shame, as the book makes clear he was the dimwit follower in short pants, I warned him, but he did not listen.
The missing boy is not out of our grasp as he knows, and sure as eggs is eggs I do not think he knows half Myra did with her men friends of her mentality. She soothed his ego right enough and that is what you do to damaged people. You get into their weaknesses for your own ends. Ian will die and be forgotten and his ashes be spread on the Irish Sea. There is a reason for that.
What a fool he is to think he is of the league of criminologist or clinical psychologist or in the league of Ian Huntley or his ilk. They had the means he did not and as such did not brag to juveniles of fantasy.
Keith Bennett will be found without his help, we do not need it, thank you. Media will pay the families when he is found. So let him reveal the others if he dare.
June 22, 2007 at 8:47 pm
Just in case, the following children were missing as recorded in the Manchester Evening News of the 9th October, 1965.
SUSAN OMERROD, July 1965
JOHN OLLEREN, Sept. 1965
MICHAEL HAYES, Sept. 1965
GERTRUDE BROOKES,
BARBARA WHITE. 1965
JENNIFFER TIGHE, 30th, December 1964, runaway hitchhiker from Oldham cinema. Age 14.
These are the archived details from the resources in microfilche.
June 26, 2007 at 10:02 pm
Silly old twit might be my name. The ground that is supposed to have been dug for John Kilbride has not been touched. What Ian or a photographer did was to stand back to the bank as he would and have Myra and Puppet rotate sideways to the left hand side of the road, hence bright green triangle dimensions. It is therefore as he asserts that he did not take photos of the grave but stand on them. That is a different logistically empirically matter that I understand. So do I understand 24 hours to Tulsa and cowboy practices as to the ledge someone describes. No press release as Madeleine McCann is still missing and we might bring home a live child to its mother instead of what Brady has to offer. So he has not got media space. He is not worth the print due to more serious matters. We do not want him, do not need him.
July 8, 2007 at 12:48 pm
A E mail petition to the prime minister starts in 5 days time
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Honor John
Rieds comitment for a new search for Keith Bennett
The confirmation by Ian Brady of Keith Bennett’s gravesite
area; as correct; needs investigating by an independent police
force; not involved in the original search. We the undersigned
have no confidence in Manchester police carrying out a proper
investigation of Keith Bennett’s gravesite and ask the Prime
minister to personally oversee Manchester police action and
reaction to Ian Brady’s claims
July 10, 2007 at 11:58 pm
E petition at
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/MoorsMurders/
for new search ordered by John Ried Honor it please vote now
August 7, 2007 at 8:37 pm
I have heard from the land owner the piece of rope he retrieved nor the site just five yards from John has been investigated. The site of Johns’ grave is not where the farmer thinks and I pondered on that till I affirmed the grasses that are nearer to the bank, it is here that John was buried and in the stream bed that runs past the two mounds that two psychics or newspapers mentioned in the press. I think that photos of the outcrop with the team that abandoned it are the direct line showing the spot as a joke between Ian Brady’s legs on the trophy photo. It is directly shown that both photos show this view to John Kilbride’s grave and the photo sent the Home Office and GMP and Winnie’s solicitor.
Being in Praia da Luz and working I have stopped for a while and had many cases from my US tracker and missing children unit contact me with more cases. So time is not something I can offer Winnie as before. But it will resume. All those who wish to end Ian’s games please do so. Keith Bennett might not be the only one buried in this same location, a fear all my team digging had that day and a sobering thought.
September 22, 2007 at 9:35 pm
The petition relating to a renewed search for the body of Keith Bennett seems to be no longer active on the govenment website… I noticed this when I checked back to see how many people had signed it. A search found no results.
November 6, 2007 at 7:53 pm
I would love to write to Ian Brady. I just read his book. His views are unconventional in many ways and yet there is a lot of truth as well. I liked his analyses on various other serial killers and wish he would write another book to deal with such people as Dahmer, Bernardo and Homolka (who parallel Myra and Ian to a great degree) BTK killer and others. I was captivated by the crime when it first happened. I read anything I could find on it.
January 2, 2008 at 11:50 am
:Today (2nd January) is Ian Brady’s seventieth birthday. 2008 will mark, for him, almost forty four years incarceration.
While I do not excuse his crimes, there are those out there who have committed equally horrible acts of violence and now walk free.
I’m am sure that no birthday spent kept under lock and key is a happy one, but I sincerely wish Mr Brady many happy returns none-the-less.
January 22, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Mental health is the most shunned and the most vilified as most who use this term of ‘mad’ are indeed paranoid. The fact is Ian Brady and not Stewart has no place else to go should he be released. He has no coping skills and no actual skills in living independantly of the community. He is the reject of the failed Borstal regime as a total institution for the deprived and depraved, except this one found a female feral cat – Myra Hindley. Ian will live if allowed untill he is 93. That legacy awaits him.
In answer to the phoney who uses many names he is under an illusion as ‘phoney’ to know Ian has told his solicitor that there is an exact location. That is why no press release. Either Ian Brady is playing a game with Ian Stewart, or he is playing a game with the phoney.
February 24, 2010 at 9:43 am
paula, frankly, i can barely follow half of what you say.
“In answer to the phoney who uses many names he is under an illusion as ‘phoney’ to know Ian has told his solicitor that there is an exact location. That is why no press release. Either Ian Brady is playing a game with Ian Stewart, or he is playing a game with the phoney.”
um, maybe you can take a little more time to clarify things instead of speaking in weird circles?
February 20, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Having just read “The Gates of Janus” (possibly my favorite book at this point), I was interested in writing to the very intriguing Brady, if there is even still time (I imagine he is about 70 now).
If you have the prison/mental institution address and his inmate number, I would appreciate it. Feel free to convey the info privately…
February 20, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Hi Joe ,
If you phone or email Ashworth Hospital , Liverpool , UK they will give you the details.
June 15, 2008 at 8:33 pm
The anniversary is tommorrow, and the Full Moon is on the 18th. It is now very illuminating and as Myra said of Pauline she ‘remembered the outline of rocks’ This then was by moonlight on the horizon looking up. The moon on the Moor moves through the night in spring and summer. At midnight it is the darkest. I hope our efforts bring some illumination too in a different way as nature has a way of helping and hindering man and woman.
Buried here spade in shale on her map is two journeys. One is to the layby as she said in her words on the map, and the other crossing over this stream is to the shale bank. Tell me how you can bury a spade and cover it at the same time, you cannot. What is buried in shale then?
Lets hope that some illumination of mind takes the map for its deceptive phases.
June 18, 2008 at 12:59 pm
i think he should be bargianed with.say he can have hes transfer if he pinpoints the grave of keith bennett on saddleworth moor.when a true grave site has been identified then refuse to co operate in his transfer and if he wishes let him starve himself to death.i read a book stating that to completely dig up the area of the moor where the authorities know where keith is likely to be buried would be a waste of tax payers money.this government should be used to wasting our money.and whats money if keith is laid to rest correctly and his family no longer have to go through all the anguish and heart wrenching torment.as usual the suffering have to endure more suffering.please reply on what you think about my comments.keith bennett-god bless and look after this child and all his family.mr brady,i hope and you will burn in the fires of hell.
June 18, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Having corresponded with Giovanni, Ian’s solicitor and sent just one of the enhanced photos that denotes a logical spot for a sane mind I am now sure Ian reads every last print on himself.
Thus, the fact that these murders were different.
One.
Pauline Reade was a ‘signature killing’ and reading both Fred Harrison and Topping books the errors in the latter as the the record of ‘the Hill’ show she said it for a reason. If Pauline’s brother is to believed and why not? Then Myra was on the corner when Pauline had been taken on the wasteground where a man was battered to death by the locomotive yard and her father and other men were questioned at the time.
See the Manchester Evening News of 8th October as to headline ‘Eleven perfect murders’. Then you will see where the myth came from.
Ian did not in my academic view have a motive or activity to do perfect murders but to do bank robberies to brag of as he did in Borstal and to deviants. It is a phantasy and a fantasy, for the definition of both as both are spelt right go to Melanie Klein website as to childhood internalised phantasies that are externalised.
The late Commissioner Mike Todd fully understood the concept that I wrote of and my method of writing as he had an MA. It is with great sadness I cannot have come to a successful field search in time, and there are many amateurs and many devoted professionals as well as amateurs as there are deviants who mock others.
To go back as Ian will be reading in this time.
Ian, and Giovanni.
To be sane you have to show some cognition outside narcissistic behaviour. The fact Pauline Reade died when Myra was still insitu and the red bike was not seen and a mayhem of a scene outsider David Smith’s home with Maureen shows that at the time she, Myra, was not on the Moor.
The fact is in Topping the van used to carry her made clandestine journeys past Dukinfield after midnight and engaged in a ramming procedure whilst still a provisional driver, and whilst as indicated in Lost Boy she had a police man who was married in tow at the time as his mother worked at Belle Vue.
So the van to transport Pauline was named as the legal owner that was her boss and so if the van had been seen this man would have hanged.
See ‘Lost Boy’ by Duncan Staff.
The fact that Ian to Mrs Downey in her book of letters from Ian shows Ian says that Myra dug the grave and transported grasses torn from another part of the Moor is indicative of what Professor ……told me in US of clandestine grave growth as covering a fynbos area as overtaking the natural species. In the following year it did just that he told me some time ago. The outline of rocks placed the location very specifically.
So we have for validity an event that cannot have happened or a glove that cannot have been lost as I have indicated as to the terrain and the lost glove Mrs Reade has that Myra knew she would know. It is not silly to realise that she would know and be aware of all those years of what Myra was intimating in her tale.
Second. Ian Brady. A gambler. Where is the man after work? The answer as he says is in the bookies watching the last race. Not at a market, for that is womens work, and he being the man he is does not do domestic, shopping, or minding kids. He says it in his own discourse.
So Myra took ‘Mounsey’s lad, John Kilbride and this time engaged Ian. Did she bring him along as a gravedigger or to cement the continued employment of her sister Maureen in some form of employment at the chemical works?
Keith. She says in the book by Duncan Staff she knew him and saw him pass Ian’s house. So can we trust that Ian did what was said and took the credit as he did for murders of adults and for robberies he never had the ‘balls’ to carry out. It was all Kleinian phantasy internalised in my view.
If we look at the times they are as a novice townie driver on a Moor such as the A road is known who understands her own self preservation and her own satisfaction. The Moor is not a Moor for such ‘townies’ and so she would not have entered the Moor that she had not found sure-footed. She chose places of safe parking and safe preservation and afforded a landscape of advantage.
As a landowner of such construction I can assure you to dig is to find shale some inches down and biomass and have to start all over again, even worse at night as the ground is dewy and waterlogged at some features.
Also true is that sheep, dogs and vermin are buried as we found from ancient times and the 19th and 20 century, yet a dog will react to these and a metal detector too as we observed.
Ian Brady cannot be allowed out as he from local information passed Greenfield in a high vehicle which would afford him a view along the said A635. Myra calls it A365 and the irony is that it was a deliberate mistake and a map of an infantile mind as an ordinance survey map that had Kleinian child-like undertones to have the belief she was ‘affected’ due to Ian.
There was in my view a deliberate act to conceal what is a timeline of all the murders so Ian could get his day out also.
IT WORKED.
All he had to do after Pauline was found was fake it in my view and carry on past the point as no markers denote the area known as Hoe Grain, or Shiney (sic) Brook. The contours and shapes are of a road not a stream and so the ergonomics are in her mind and her tales to change at will. So I wonder if the ruse of her and he separating have been a grand ploy since the 1960′s and that he takes credit for a mastermind?
Now if Ian is a mastermind he can answer what the feature was that the children were placed in to police or to his lawyer. Can say the chronological times of the event and the conditions and can say that the area was planned and why as he has on others in his book.
Yet I challenge he cannot as he was and is not a mastermind but a very sick and mentally ill man that is in the right place till he dies. He is not a man who could engage in prison.
If Ian Brady as his solicitor says wants to get out of a mental health care and securement facility he has to put some credibility of his role into play as the facts are that he is a ‘participant observer’ and not the ‘participant’. Therefore, Ian did have the sadism but was a weak man in finding and using his ‘prey’ as to a ‘private cemetary’.
I would stake my Masters in Science in behavioural and Medical Frontiers that Ian Brady will not and cannot reveal a feature that contains Keith Bennett. In that sense he is insane and so has delusions of omnipotence that he is not valid to have. Prove me wrong.
I am on the Moors waiting for validity and empirical evidence. My expenses are my own and fund my team who are a call away from police if they are at all unsure of what to do or the next step.
For Winnie in her white cardigan on the Moors we owe it to her and Ipromised after my successful Masters ceremoney in Glasgow where Ian could never be.
The message is clear. There is no information Ian Brady can impart as he is mentally ill and insane and as such his cognition is depressive phase and pschotic as Kleinian and Winnicottian clinical psychology outlines of childhood deficits in ‘transference’ and ‘counter transference’.
Excuse grammatical errors as am writing without reading glasses and not on Word spell checker.
The full moon is tonight for four days. That says it all.
June 22, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I have gained information on a known identity that is said to have towed Myra Hindley’s Mini off the Moor – Isle of Sky Road – A635. This I will be tracking further as to where and exactly when if I can.
June 29, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Check this with the next one and will the owner of the website allow a picture of an unpublished photo from the media to make this trio. If so then allow me the means to add these three and other photos to your site.
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http://www.millionmasterpiece.com/profile-475941
July 9, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Hi Pauline Im very interested in all you say. Who are you?? Pls e mail me
Clare
June 29, 2008 at 7:09 pm
The map below drawn as one where the paper is horizontal and drawn to scale shows the layby and then is rotated to show a fiction that identically demonstrates the old Pennine way map of the time that I have in that the stream is in fact the contours of a road in rotating it. If you go to the earlier link and use the fourth button as arrow the drawing is done as I do it and reconstructs the path of my thinking in correlating the unpublished photo and this map of Myra’s. Judge for yourself.
http://www.bernardomahoney.com/keithbennett/map/map.jpg
June 29, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Note.
The dots that were random on the shale bank which are below my suspect area are from accident. It was only after loading this image of my work that the image of a smiling face below the bend became clear. Eerie in the extreme.
The rockface resembles an old ‘clapper bridge’ as a ford where the old Near Rough Clough ran and tributary of Far Rough Clough under the place the quarry pack horses ran. Due to the relevance the intended target of Myra could have dumped someone here and got the blame for it as I have said in motive for all the others.
July 1, 2008 at 8:31 pm
It is my view that Ian Brady should under no circumstances be allowed the millions of pounds funding from taxpayers to come out for a ‘jolly’. He has shown to those trying to help him remember that he has narcissistic qualities that are performed at will for his audience. He is a danger at large to society as he has nothing to loose. He will not pinpoint Keith Bennett’s grave as it is all to easy to fix by a simple look at any picture of the rocks, horizon and the location fixed evermore to the other known victims.
Because of this lack of consciousness he is insane, is unable to connect with those academic, professional or the mundane as he viewed them.
I truly think that Ian Brady was not there at the burial and a bystander because of his lack of clarity where he boasts of none existent murders and planned bank hoists but not the detail of the act.
Thus when Pauline Reade died it was an act that he said Myra had planned in clandestine burial. That she had stolen the half crown and he had been told, and that she had made a comment recorded of the necklace. If in darkness and failing light Ian could have seen Myra doing her Fagin impression stealing from Pauline it is unlikely as is the one of her taking the necklace as trophy items. More likely it was as her brother reports in the book of Fred Harrison a vendetta of her own volition and Brady became hooked on the adrenalin after bottles of warm Liebfraumilch.
Thus, the coin thrown was at a later stage after this information came to pass. Explain it any other way. The issue is none of it fits.
John Kilbride, the market lad. Stolen after work and taken to the Moors in a hired Ford Anglia that had run over a ploughed field, it did not need to seem so. Therefore where had that car as a saloon gone?
Had the handbrake slipped in darkness or had it gone to the other side of the Moor or what?
Keith Bennett. It is sure that if the plan of doorstep killings is true for Pauline then Myra added one to Ian’s doorstep. Logically Mrs Brady would not let Myra in and the fact she had Keith in the car and no Ian meant how with no phone did she tell Ian she had the lad? The one common denominator is the factory and where she could make calls, but who would call on Ian and tell him, that is the mystery? So where was Ian when Myra drove by as in her accounts of knowing the boy, surely Ian would class his neighbours as one of his own, or to close to upset his mother. After all there had been another child in his street murdered by a neighbour at the same time.
Ian Brady cannot have been allowed out as freely as the mistake is to believe Ian lived with Myra and her granny. That is not true. He lived at home. So where is Keith. Ian does not know or cannot remember the story that was in her grasp as she is dead.
That is why Ian will not be granted a day out to tour the Moors for another experiment. He failed, not the police, he could have said the feature, the nearness to the others or absense. He did neither of those so he cannot reveal where as he says and I challenge Keith is.
If so there are maps to aid his memory that can be sent in to the mental hospital. An x is all they need. That is an x for not and a cross for where. No cross will ensue.
July 6, 2008 at 4:00 pm
hi pauline i av been up to the moors today i would be grateful if u could e mail me sweet as i need to speak to you mclly1@aol.com
July 8, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Back in time. John Kilbride. Without Mounsey the missing lad would be still on the Moors in a walk that is said to have been done by Pauline.
Yet the truth is that Lesley Anne Downey and John Kilbride plus Pauline Reade could not have walked to their death because of the events uncovered by Fred Harrison and because both Lesley Anne and John were yards, not tens of yards from the roadway. Above and below is where they were buried in winter frosty conditions. Yet, they are asking the public to believe a story of Keith walking miles to his grave in conditions that induce hypothermia after a few minutes walking as we encountered in a spring squall. That the evening darkness was where Myra stopped yards away from the road and watched Ian round a bend. Cannot be done. That Myra did not see the ‘weir’ and of course neither could he.
The truth is that Myra did the act of manual labour as Ian watched, yet to admit it he is a failed actor of the infamy he wanted. The events are not compatible with the Moorland night temperatures and the location where he was taken and by who or whom. Therefore like John he has to be near the road by a few feet and Myra had to have been the major mastermind, not Ian. He faked the confession of Veronica Bondi as he knew I suggest who did kill her but took great store in telling a youth that married the sister of the monster that he had done great things.
The psychology is all to clear in drawing ‘the Krays’ and the name John Kilbride. He had to stand in their shoes and think of the crimes they did and the way a victim was buried under a road, yet it was a pipedream same as doing a heist of mastermind proportions. A fake, and a dreamer with a deadly poisonous snake who wrote shorthand.
July 11, 2008 at 12:15 pm
i av had my 3rd visit to the moors and finally found my right destiniation.the silence and the freedom is so eerie yet the draw to its beauty is amazing.as i arrived i was greeted with a curlew sat on a boulder.i stood near the remains of a bunch of flowers and popped balloons tied to the fence on the right side of the road as u come from dovestones.they were bound in pink ribbon and only the pink ribbon remains in its glory..i walked down to the old ruin with no roof again i was drawn here dont ask me why!! i need to speak to the family as i am being given clues about the boy himself its like i av to tell his mum so to speak..if any1 can help me at all that would be gr8.ppl i speak to tend to be putting me on the crackpot pile, this i do understand BUT i dont do giving up easy…..
July 11, 2008 at 5:05 pm
There is no way you can speak to the family as that would be stalking, it would also be frightening too. You have walked three times on a Moor, I have emailed you and you are pretending to have difficulties in writing and use the ruse of writing in a certain way. Being versed in psychology as Kleinian counter transference your slip is showing through.
There are no flowers at Dovestones as to Bin Green only those shown on the Feathers site where they are shown with the ribbon and on the gate to the Wessenden Head Reservoir. The ruin as Rimmon Pit is not there but is on the brow which elevates Dovestones. There is now a mill that is overlooking this at over one million pounds up for sale I note.
Strange you mention curlew when it is in Moorland Night by the mad and suicidal woman who wrote poetry as a macabre mind of psychopathic manic depression phases. You are using clues as another person does that is an entertainer and a clown, a court jester. My information is this is a person more ‘bent’ that Yuri Geller’s spoons. Hope you do not take offence, but do not upset families unless scientifically you have something to offer that needs investigating and is unanswered. A feeling, a psychic vision and a hunch is not enough to find her son’s remains and that is the reality of it. There is a grave out there that is watched still by someone who can do so is my view and that person was told of the grave. That person has no pact with God only the Devil.
July 12, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Maybe Micky might not take offence but I certainly do! and to make jibes about his writing is very unfair because he has only tried to explain , he is a intelligent man and a good healer who is trying to help find keith he is not a nutcase as you may think but a kind and caring man and he has told the truth about what he has seen and to be honest he would not copy from anyone , Myra and Brady were the most hidious and evil pair and yes they only had the devil in their hearts , thankyou Morgan may god bless you xx
July 12, 2008 at 2:14 pm
as i said i do understand ppl putting me on the crackpot pile and i am not appologising for the way i type,unlike some im not well educated and find typing the way i do appropiete for me.i didnt say the flowers were at dovestones i said on the road a635 coming from dovestones.i av even taken a picture with these on the fence (not a gate) just b4 the place they use to picnic but on opposite side of the road from where they used to park there car.i dont drive and had friends take me up there,i even said to them look at that curlew on the rock then went on to say dont i sound sad knowing the birds name…
all whats been happening with me as been over last 2 weeks and i am trying to get my head around wats happening.
i was warned ov stones being cast at me (from a medium)but i am too far into this to stop now..
i do not wish to stalk the family,but i do want to heal there ever aching hearts which is my only aim here and i mean this so sincerly.
maybe this wasnt the place i was to come for help but im not giving up and will continue with evrything im given to go forward.
i av given u my e mail address and also my phone number why would i do this if i was entertaining or a court jester i find nothing humourous in any of this at all..
all aside the work and effort you are doing on this is top class and i want to say he WILL be found, many ppl av given up to easily.
July 12, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Micky, I am not casting at your spelling for I am dyslexic and disabled and also a healer, yet there have been 700 hundred gifted persons who have invaded the family, some are good intentions and some are in it for the race. As to the jester well there are those that are in it for the kudos and not for putting in the fork to find the boy in the correct manner. I have many healer psychic friends and I too am gifted but on the side of the Moors I have not given up and have employed the services of experts and expert opinion to remove the biases I had and have. I have been hoodwinked big time in this case and will not be any more. There are people who have reached levels of dignity I admire and there are those that thirst for anothers knowledge to find another place to have a go. So I am sorry if it meant to hurt a person that is genuine, the jester knows who that person is. I thought the way the curlew is spelt correctly there was since silence of your email reply Micky a doubt in my mind. I do menial jobs making beds in other peoples homes to pay for the petrol of labourers and of landmen and volunteers, I pay for their food and am there to guide and take the flack. But I do not take them into danger as I was taken into danger and dumped unceremoniously.
To share the scientific findings with those who can tread the Moor is an ethical thing if those who can have the time can do as I ask. I do not post it here where Ian Brady will have it relayed to him. My view is the same. The shovel if there was one was placed like the sword in a stone, it will be hilt down and spade up yet no metal detector has found it. So there is either no spade there, or those found by an expert are part of the cache or those of amateur, police and professional excavators at some point in time over 60 or more years.
I repeat. The court jester is here and on many boards and has many identities and is not one person.
Ian knows who the jesters are and plays them to this tune. Not me as I am the one that did all the things he could never do in society as a law abiding person using the slums as an award of my past in Manchester and in Glasgow to show that a home is a bed with a roof of any sort over it shared my many in social poverty of the mill age. Be proud of the heritage of mill age children and forget Ian Brady and Myra Hindley for she was a slum parasite and lived off the back of her grannie and forcefed bull sh… to her sister, or was it the other way round as two symbiotic sisters?
My apologies for the offence taken. I need you and others on that Moor to be the champions unknown for Winnie. There is no greater reward than unseen champions, he is near the damn road. Blast it all the others were too. Townies then did not have the gear we have and knowledge of land erosion. Saddleworth Moor is not a strip of pastry. It is a landscape where you can die, it is a landscape where you can live and see the major ice age geological differences in each inch of the land, not least charting the ways that you cannot go in darkness and can in light.
July 12, 2008 at 5:13 pm
News of the World.
Ian Brady is a fake. Like his drawings he fantasies of murders that others commit and of great robberies that draw media attention as for him the monetory gain is not the same as the chanting oration of the bastard Hitler who died in a bunker.
Ian Brady does not know where Keith is and nor I assert did he Pauline. He listened as he read the Sporting Life and visited a place and places that Myra as a competant driver led him too.
Ian Brady did not bury them, he had tendancies of habitutal life needs he keeps today. I say as David Kirwan says ‘put up or shut up’ unless you can indicate some factual presence that you were there at the time. I think not.
July 12, 2008 at 6:38 pm
I dare Ian to say otherwise as he is not at Rimmon Pit ruins, and not outside the area of self preservation. He is in fact near the others.
Ian Brady recounts a dialogue not a description of Pauline Reade and her burial spot. It is a narrative of someone else’s story. I challenge him to prove otherwise.
July 12, 2008 at 7:34 pm
when the pair was at the moor,they were there to commit the evil crimes they did and also to satisfy there perverted sexual needs.in the time of their evil doings was a time wen cars were not as frequent upon the roads and privacy was not much of an issue and being disturbed would not be much of a problem.again im not educated too well and am going wiv my common sense on this..they also used an area which was freqented wiv courting couples and picnicers ..if you were doing something there u shouldnt be doing you would want to make sure you was away from eye view or the chance of being in someones eye view..so wouldnt it make sense that u would want to be away from an area u could be possibly seen in..also remembering they took a neighbours child up there regularly so to see the couple with a child wouldnt be unusual at that time ..
July 13, 2008 at 8:54 am
Micky, the route was used frequently by a known haulage company which parked at night on layby to sleep over. This haulage company is and has produced a dvd of the route now and the elevation is seen along this from the cab, also the stop on request double decker ran to the Isle of Sky Inn and to Huddersfield and stopped to let children off at school who were at farms including the one on the bend. Also as the Pennine way was near to the spot that Lesley Anne was buried it was also there as were bikers and gypsies at that time and farm shepherds who work at night chasing off poachers, sheep rustlers and wild dogs as it is a man’s livelihood and his land.
The places where the children were found as in John Kilbride’s case was down a bank and beside a road and his grave then could be seen a few feet from this bank and on a approaching the bend from the road if you knew it was there. It took and takes one minute to get to his grave and can be done in office cloths and flat shoes in darkness. The same for Lesley Anne and Pauline too. The time and distance I have mapped on a Garmin GPS system. Be sure the farmer then who owns it now knows every inch of his land, but not the geology which is where I come in with my industrial archeology experience and marine and geological honours in and expertise.
The child next door fed on drink would be a sizing of the grave to be dug, but do not forget that it snowed heavily and Myra had a dead body in her house over night with grannie Maybury in Dukinfield. The snow on that ledge above would be virgin snow as no footprints and so the cab going over would spot it unless a cover had been placed of cardboard over the grave dug at Christmas eve. More likely the grave of Lesley Ann was a boulder removed leaving an indentation in the ground and the soil below removed on the night the child was there, hence the return after the child was returned to check and recheck the routine of the haulage vans and to know when to go back during the dawn as they had done for four years. They were not buried on what is known as Saddleworth Moor, but to the verges of shelter that sheep use and with Pauline near to Grouse Butts as hides for the sport then.
July 13, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Micky, the pair are only recorded practicing sadism on Lesley Anne Downey on the evening of the Boxing Day, the 26th of December, 1964. The tapes show Myra could have saved her and they relayed the tone of a sadiomasochism personality who shouted at the child she would hit her. All the time it was her bedroom and her grannies house in Hyde that she took Lesley Anne to. Not to Ian’s mothers house. Lesley Anne was deceased before she left the house as is recorded. Her stepfather drove a removal van over the Moors and often stayed over night in it. Myra would know that and if they found Lesley Anne before the pair were known to be perverts then as he had been interviewed and grilled before like the other father’s and stepfathers of missing children he would have faced the hangman’s noose. Victim 3 as first one found did not die on the Moors and was placed in Myra’s house by Myra who was at the fair, suggesting that her sister Maureen must also have been with her as they stayed long enough to remember the Stones recorde Little Red Rooster by the swirling cars on the fairground in the afternoon. Ian would be at his mother’s one would think or in the bookies as an afternoon treat off work. I cannot see in behavioural patterns of gender identities Ian taking each afternoon off reading the racing form and being at the bookies to go to either a market or a fair.
Go back to Pauline and we see that Fred Harrion in Genesis of the Moors who was given the confession of two more murders in 1987 in hospital of Pauline Reade and Keith Bennett found a credible witness to dispute what she said of the act of murder of Pauline Reade.
Paul Reade, her brother coming from the cinema and up Taylor Road, past Gorton Monastery and up past the pub where Pauline was last seen is doing so at 9.05 pm. Pauline is last seen by two friends heading up by Bayer Peacock foundry and the wasteland past the pub as as short cut. It is 8.05pm and her mother leaves her on the corner as the girls take a detour to meet Pauline on the main road to the social club dance.
But this is not the only situated murder in that region that cast a shadow on the Hindley’s and the other residents. Locals and the press recount the murder by stabbing of Ben Marsden on October 18th, 1959. He was found at Graveney Street and was 50, and lived at Dalkeith Street. He is one of the eleven perfect murders in the Manchester Evening News where Brady confesses to two in that adult list. He did not kill those two police found.
However, going back to the timelines. Myra said she and Ian were on the look out for victims to do the first one, she in the van and he on his bike behind which was a moped bike with police flashing and red, so very distinctive then. He drove this at less than 30 miles an hour and kids tied cans to it when in the lanes of the Gorton slums. She said Ian the week of the murder gave her a record and did so on each murder run up. In the Topping book it says she said he gave her the record ‘The Hill’ and she went to the pictures to see the film ‘ The Hill’ and ‘The day of the Triffids’ yet my archival research shows that the record and film were not out till over one year later. SO A TIMETRAVELLER THEN??
The films that were on in Oldham that she could have seen were ‘Wrong arm of the law’ and ‘Scapegoat’ where an actor is two people that change identity just as Myra and Maureen had wigs from what must have been the Fred Aldous theatrical place by the Woolworths in Piccadily which was also the scene of another murder. Each wig as blonde and black could resemble each other so why buy a black wig in the first place when she coul be mistaken for Maureen and vice versa?
The murder of Abraham Cullen on October 20th, 1956 was by the brazier at the side of C & A which is opposite Woolworth’s or was then. He had been battered to death and was 53. It was during his nightwatchman duties he was killed.
But taking two murders where Myra is said to frequent and is not in Borstal during these reigns of terror we go to the timeline of Pauline and why she did not die on the Moor.
When Pauline is missing for over one hour from 8.05 pm we have Paul Reade observing as he walks past the Hindley house and grannie Maybury house the scene of fight as he comes up Taylor Street and enters his home street by the railway.
Maureen Hindley and David Smith are fighting and a scene is going on for some time. It is recorded as 9.05 pm. Myra is on the corner watching before going and getting Maureen. They are now outside Mrs Reade’s house where she comes out after this and they are gone and David has gone into the lodgings to her next door. There is the glove of Paulines’, a white pristine glove. Here the story departs as Myra says she went to the Moors and told Pauline it was she who had lost a glove knowing all the time the white glove that Mrs Reade showed everyone and told everyone that was in the kitchen draw for over 23 years till Brady let it be known Myra had taken her and killed her with him being cast the villain as he wanted for his ego.
Myra in Topping book is recorded as saying she used the grocers round van that toured the estates and was owned by her boss Ben Boyce near Dukinfield and that she had gone at the insistance of Brady who saw Pauline and the took her. That would be around 7.45 to 8.05 pm when she was at the location. Now Paul sees both Myra and Maureen and David at 9.05 pm. So how does the van get from Gorton to Greenfield, then watch her walk to her death and Ian Brady and return after her burial which in reconstruction of timelines takes up to three hours return journey, and the acts themselves as described?
THE ANSWER IS IT NEVER HAPPENED THAT WAY.
Myra is recorded as saying she went in the van and woke Ben Boyce up as she had forgot he needed to pick up a broken down van. That means another journey at midnight as she woke him up at his house where she babysat his kids is recorded. So if she went to the Moors it was after 10.30 pm as she says she saw Mrs Reade and Paul up the road by the Monastery and the social club. The only way Myra can see Mrs Reade and Paul is after the dance and at this time of after 10.30 pm. She was at the house location at 9.05 pm so had no time to dump Pauline or to remove her due to the time there and back from Gorton to Greenfield and to bury her.
Thus, the timelines are wrong as you can see from empirical evidence of Paul Reade relayed to Fred Harrison and from the witnesses themselves.
I will carry on later.
July 13, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Now if we look at what is not factual we see witness evidence that is uncontaminated in complete immersion as a participant observation strategy, that in plain words is biased to the person that is being interviewed for reasons unknown.
Ben Boyce’s van which Myra borrowed often had to be on the Moor Road for a reason, as there were no courting couples on the Moor, nor picnics. It was not the favourite place for locals as I have been told, nor from outsiders to as the farm is owned and policed as to the flock and is fenced off. It is also patrolled at night. A stray dog worrying sheep was hunted and shot so think of the risk Myra took in being there. So why this location? The answer is it was either a place a person on duty in uniform had a run and was his beat as her police officer lover at the time, or it was the route for Millwards Chemicals supplying drums of cargo to Huddersfield, or it was that Ben Boyce taught her with the other men knew in her late teens. Or it could have been to take her dad to the game fights in pubs that were outside the Manchester area. Choose what you will. Ian Brady had not been long enough in Manchester to suddenly go over the Moors and for what reason. He would not be familiar with the Moors. Scotland he would know as to his natural comfort zone, a feature he has created all his life of nesting in a home that is sheltered and protective, hence Borstal, remand, Strangeways and of course prison and the mental institution. He had need of sheltered housing that went into a criminal need for a roof above his head, sustenance and above all protection and fame. So of course he would lie to get this as he has done all his life. It may not seem lies to him, as he is of diminished responsibility and of a mindset of villain instead of victim. His slip is showing in the need to be legitimate in life as one awarded praise and fear. Yet it is like his outbursts a smoke screen. A diversion.
Pauline Reade died and David Smith did not know as she was not the first beauty to win David’s heart and be scared off, albeit this was murder in the extreme.
Maureen got her boy, and Myra made sure it stayed that way whilst it suited her. Pauline in contrast had her last journey in Ben Boyce’s van to the Moors where Myra buried her. Then she went to Ben Boyce’s house at Dukinfield and woke him up after burying Pauline single handed on the Moor she had planned. She had the means to put Maureen’s pram in to ferry her the very short distance. It might be disputed but try as you will the time is out to the Moor in the van after 10.30 not before as she says of her routine to Ben. So Ian cannot have done as she says.
Her route takes her to the van and then she takes the van home. Meanwhile the route must take in the Moor road and so if a van were spotted she was being towed by the van that was the tow vehicle broken down was the one which had the damage to the back. The van she steered was not the murder van, it was the recovered on so the murder van was the one driven by Ben Boyce who would only have Myra as an alibi if Pauline were found. Ben gave her this van and kept it in his name, so when there was a problem he was convicted as to a demeanour. A few weeks later of all the people the policeman who she knew bought or was given the van by Myra. Why and for what purpose I thought reading Toppings book?
Myra true to her nature gave him the van, the van that had transported the body of Pauline Reade. None of this is hearsay as it is in the book of Topping and the events of the witness and account are in Fred Harrisons book, the round is discussed in Monsters of the Moor. The chronology of reconstruction I have done myself as to what is timelines of what can be done.
Thus, Pauline rests in peace. We know where she is now and who she met. But where is Ian in all this as he says in For the Love of Lesley that he ‘heard’ her say that the necklace she wore would not be needed where she was going. So was this a narrative or a description of what he personally had witnessed at the time?
He also says she stole the half crowns in her coat pocket and he said it was a hanging offence for robbery and murder. They were thrown in the field he says. Yet no metal detector had recovered the two half crowns. No one could in the light at the time on the Moors at midnight see the act and witness it nor tear grasses and put them on her grave as he says she did. It had to be after this had been done in my view as the act is not a choreographed performance of validity. Ian might have gone later but doubt in my mind persists of did he kill Pauline as is written. I think not due to the above two long debates on who saw what and where.
If we take this as the events to come the licence is that Myra murdered for gain, for envy, for greed and for pleasure and for subversive acts of legality in a backyard that would protect her as a potential police trainee. What do you think? Read the reports in the books and check the Oldham Chronical archives on microfilch and you will see the other murders to follow fitted the first and last Moors murder as to ‘signature killer’ category as organised killer and apprentice or observer – participant category. Let me know what you think.
July 14, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Pauline, I find your knowledge and thoughts very interesting, and I am trying to follow the timeline you lay out. So could you possibly describe for my simple mind the way you think Pauline’s abduction and murder happened?
I still think Brady was involved, because (if I remember correctly) wasn’t Pauline’s neck cut from behind so severely that she was almost beheaded- a bloody killing more like that of Evans- whereas weren’t little Downey and Kilbride strangled? Brady did kill Evans, didn’t he? I mean he was not just standing there watching Myra swing the axe, was he?
Also, I read somewhere that coroners examining Pauline’s body took over a month to determine that she had been sexually assaulted.
July 14, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Pauline, I left you a post a few days ago under “Ian Brady: Moors Murders and False Memories”, which I guess is an older page. Thanks you for all you do!
Silly Old Twit, thank you for your website. Your story is very interesting, and your childhood with your father must have been very difficult.
Thank you and bless all out there who are still working hard to find little Keith.
July 14, 2008 at 8:14 pm
You presume that what you read is correct and that it is what happened. I have not seen or heard any evidence save that Myra did not enable Pauline to be found, nor did Ian. The scientist that is not credited is Professor Bruno Frohlick a leading expert on forensic botany who said to look the following spring for an outcrop of invasive species. Now if you have ever examined an old graveyard you will see that there are germinated species on the older ones and a calibration pit. But in summer the July 7th the picture shows just that. Myra suddenly remembers she says to Topping who was the head of the investigation and wrote of it in the book of that name that she ‘remembered’ the line of rocks on the horizon. That placed Pauline further back as the syncline after Diggle Rake goes diagonal. There she knew all along that to the front and at an angle was the body which was found of Lesley Anne Downey.
I am not going to reveal how each was murdered,but remember I am from the Trafford Park region of AEI and he was not said to be gay. So if Myra dressed as is recorded in a tarts clothing then at the milk bar, or the railway station where only she could park and approach him she was not engaging a ‘queer to roll’ as the terminology went at the time in explanation of how to pay David Smith’s rent. It is my view that Myra did some act that had been done before, do not forget she had already a married police officer lover locally. So what sort of act do you think she might have offered in the living room of grannie. What do you think the reaction to this might be?
A teenager of 17 then would not have surplus income as he had to pay his keep, Ian of all people would know that. So why pick an apprentice at a factory in this region, why indeed? The answer is just like Pauline, John, Keith and Lesley Anne they were niave and were approachable to her mannish ways. She was mannish and not in the least feminine, do not forget the age of her at the time, she was no girl and certainly no chaste beauty, but Ian in his way loved her as he loved the act of oneness of someone singing the same tune. I mean in literature as to the arts which he fed on and was fed on.
It is clear above my thoughts on where and how Pauline died and I will not cause pain as other books have on recording from their notebooks the inside information that should have stayed out of the public domain and not in a hard back book to the masses.
The will be a rehearsal of who is to be credited with finding Keith when it happends and other books written as to money to speak of this revelation. The simple walker with a dog or the simple climber, roadworker or highway engineer will not be credited. Nor will any scientist or those who worked so hard to make it happen. It has all about money. Winnie wants it to stay in the public eye so they do not forget who she is and who she lost. So the battles of humiliation, rejection and hoodwinking I bear with a badge of dedication for I am no money making machine using her as my ticket to it.
False Memories I will look at but there is no such thing with Ian. He makes it up as he did the infantile twin images of the Kray twins on the notebook where he wrote John Kilbride beside the cartoon. He doodled and hence that is why John was so very near the road and not on the Moor, he was under the road in the mindset of the way they did a murder. The logic is his words are hollow like a tree with no sap, they have no meaning, semantic, autobiographical or sensory. In short ‘feel, felt, found’ are not there whereas in Myra she had all three but disguised them for each gender, class and status attendee of whatever level of social importance even not fearing God as the higher order.
July 15, 2008 at 3:28 pm
For interested in Phoenix. Read and see the diagram of Fred Harrison then compare the street and timelines with what is said in the so called autobiography of the police chief Topping to compare and contrast the times and the discrepancies. Note also in ethnography there are biases inflicted when one gets to close to the participant one is observing. It is natural to value one from the same society in contrast to the outsider. It is not the view in Scotland of this heinous individual, it is the other way round and most normal people or those that knew her and were not affected by her in her seductive manner saw through the gravel voice like coal dust on an icecream and fag ash fingers that were like tentacles of bone and scrawny as an old prawn left out to dry. Now there is poetic licence for you, soft hands and a warm heart she never had, a big arse yes the reports say by men who knew her. Maybe Ian Brady never saw it in daylight, or at all?
Read also the Devil and Janie Jones, Jean Richie and the book by Judge Sparrow. Most are out of date but are on ebay at some point in time.
If Harrison’s interviews were with the neighbours as they were and the location diagram that is the first empirical evidence of timelines and of location as no other author has supplied a route of the last seen sighting of Pauline to reconstruct. I have reconstructed it and the time to go to Greenfield and the Holmfirth Road is around 45 minutes without the motorways and fast cars of now. It still took us over 45 minutes with evening traffic and with the traffic lights in a performance car which she did not have.
Read what you will. The fact is Myra could not have been at the place and time she says she was. Therefore, the row with Maureen and David is not relayed by him as to the content in the book, so we can only guess why Myra was so concerned, why would she be watching? Maureen could more than stick up for herself. The wasteland is the last place Pauline was seen by her friends. It places both Myra and Maureen in visual distance to her. Did Pauline see David and ask him to go to the dance with her on the way to this place, and did the jealous envy as G.. says his other girlfriend cause a vicious rage. G.. moved she says because at school she was threatened by her.
Pauline is now at peace and her attackers will be found out after Ian dies as he will not need the story of his involvement of whatever capacity, extent or validity anymore. Till then there are only one person alive that knows what that fight was about, that is David Smith.
July 15, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Pauline, I love your use of metaphors! In the horror of all this they are an amusing side relief. I want to make clear that in no way do I wish to minimize Myra as the monster she was, nor her involvement in these atrocities.
You are right in that, as a complete outsider, I have only read the usual accounts for the public, Staff and Williams, “reporters” but also outsiders, and soon Topping, Harrison, and Potter. Staff’s account is mostly Myra’s account, so we know that is not the truth. Supposedly when Brady dies his account will be published, but what is there to believe in what he says? He lies also- in the past claiming murders that he did not commit, visiting America, etc. (By the way, I have no desire to read Brady’s Gates of Janus book, nor would I ever want to write him! My interest in this case does not go in those directions.)
So, I also have tried to find information online- not much there, just the same repeated accounts copied over and over. So it was a bit of a surprise to find this website of Silly Old Twit and read your thoughts on all this, as well as your search efforts. Other than the proven known factual facts, the only truth lies in the accounts of the locals of the time, like yourself, and those who knew Brady and Hindley. It seems like those who did know more weren’t talking. I have wondered if that was because they were afraid of the Hindley reputation in the neighborhood, afraid of repercussions, so to speak.
So, if I ask a lot of questions it is because I know that what I have read so far is NOT the whole truth, or at least there are huge gaps. For instance, your stating Paul Reade saw Myra on the corner in her van at around 9:00 PM- that I believe. So, I cannot help but wonder where Pauline was between 8:00 and 9:00.
July 15, 2008 at 11:02 pm
She was in Myra Hindley’s grandmothers house.
July 16, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Wouldn’t that have been extremely risky? I am assuming that you believe Myra had already killed Pauline between 8 and 9. But why place her body in her grandmother’s tiny house, and how in so doing without being seen by someone in the street? I read in Staff that (in Gorton) her grandmother slept downstairs in the living room in front of the fire. Even if her grandmother didn’t wake up, another family member might have dropped by. Plus, she would have had to leave the body unguarded while she was back out in the van. Then at some point there would also have been the problem of removing the body without being seen. Why take these risks? Why would Myra not have just left the body in the back of the van instead?
July 17, 2008 at 9:29 pm
She might have done, but remember Grannie Maybury never twigged Lesley Anne Downey had been killed in her house and carpets etc removed. She never seemed to have come out of her room to go to the bathroom when Eddie died and was taken in even though her bedroom was looking out to the front and cries from blows from an axe do not sound in one single shriek as if a tape had dropped. Here is a woman who lived through two world wars and saw and heard terror. She never was heard to come out and see what the noise was in bumping Eddie up the stairs after this commotion and in small terraces you would hear from the masterbedroom the racket below as the kitchen was above the single spair room of Myra’s with the single box room and narrow stairs.
You ask questions of a family member dropping by and they just did not get in as David says, they did not have an open door policy. She, Myra parasited grannies house when they moved and you should ask why did not Ian and Myra as double incomes do as David and Maureen had done and get a flat of their own. The answer is Myra needed grannie to do the housework and to mind the dogs, and to supply the boring stuff and the bills. Ian did not live there as his bike and kit were at his mothers. He paid his keep and did as he was told for his stepfather, in short he adored and still does his mother. Adored. If you look at why grannie was upstairs in the trial books she was in her own house an d not to old at the time. See the trial books and grannie shouting down to her of the noise. Then fact is Grannie Maybury had other children from another marriage and visited them at Dukinfield as one would.
There is no assuming of time of death as Myra said she was on the Moor when Mrs Reade was walking her to the friends, so that is 8.05 pm. Add on 15 minutes or so for a conversation and then add on 15 for the eruption of an argument at David Smith’s lodgings and Maureen fighting and Myra stood not in a van, by the corner and we see that she said that she saw Mrs Reade after the dance with Paul coming down the lane when she was in the van.
Myra did not get seen taking anyone anywhere and perhaps that is because of a wall of silence. I cannot answer for a monster in the midst of her own society, or who used gender as a weapon of indecency, lust and gain in any way she could. Risky is what Myra did not view as risky as she belonged in Gorton and was entrenched as a family before others came to live there and who made ordinary domestic lives.
July 9, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Pauline. I think everything you say is correct. Ive met Brady and written to him. I agree. Ive always thought there was – is something odd about it all. And what you are sayi9hng is ringing big bells – of ringing true. Who are you?? Pls e mail me – privately.
Thanks
July 18, 2008 at 6:43 pm
However Pauline was abducted, I do not believe any of the victims were ever in Grannie’s house in Gorton.
The abduction and murder of these children (except for Evans) involved no uncalculated risks. In fact, if not for the discovery of the “lost luggage”, the first four murders would probably still be unsolved today.
We know in the month of December Lesley Ann Downey was brought inside the home at Hattersley, but Hindley and Brady were alone- Grannie was off visiting her son and not at home. While in Gorton and before moving to Hattersley, I suspect John Kilbride was kept in the van for some time, as the weather on the moors in November would have prohibited much outside activity due to exposure. Also while in Gorton and before Hattersley, Pauline (July) and Keith (June) were abducted in the warmer summer months when the weather on the moors would not have been so prohibitive.
According to Smith, Brady made a comment in referring to the murder of Evans along the lines of “we were not due another one for a few more months” and also told him that the murder of Evans was out of sequence- which makes one wonder if there was another yet-undiscovered victim during the previous summer months. The abductions and murders of the first four children occurred in intervals of 4-7 months. There was a 10 month interval between the murder of Lesley Ann Downey and Evans. So, if Evans was out of sequence, it seems likely that Brady and Hindley murdered another victim during the previous summer months.
The murder of Evans still puzzles me. It was not only out of sequence, it was out of Brady’s and Hindley’s previous pattern. Previous pattern: No uncalculated risks, organized, high secrecy. Evans pattern: High risks, disorganized, no secrecy. Compared with their previous murders, it almost seems like they were begging to be caught. In addition, Brady made a comment to police that it was intended to be their “last one”- a contradiction to his statement to Smith that “we were not due another one for a few more months”.
Another thing that puzzles me is Brady’s so-called autobiography. Supposedly he has written it and does not want it published until after his death, and he wants the proceeds to go to his mother. With his known desire for attention, I would think he would want to see the reaction of the public to whatever he has written while he is still alive. His mother is now in her 90’s. How much longer will she live? How will proceeds sometime off in the future help her when she most likely could use help now? What is Brady afraid of?
July 19, 2008 at 1:49 pm
You have not obviously and are not on the Moor Road then or have been this week. You are not correct as to the van that took John. It was a Ford Anglia saloon that was hired and driven over the pasture where later Pauline would be found. It was as said a murder that occurred for boredom. Myra got bored easily with the mundane.
The Ford Anglia was not a van. I am saying no more as busy doing what I have to do. Ian knows that and so do not engage me as I have not the time to go over the fine detail that is in the public domain. Read it again and if you can go to the road that is the Moors for yourself. But I think soon they will or have cordoned it off. What do you think??//
July 19, 2008 at 7:48 pm
No, I am not, nor have I ever been, on the moors. I am an American, and I live in America.
Thank you for your correction on the vehicle type used to abduct little John.
I have no wish to intrude on your time. I appreciate yours, as well as anyone’s and everyone’s, thoughts and opinions. I do not expect them, nor consider them owed in any way.
I wish you and everyone involved great success in your ongoing efforts to find little Keith.
July 27, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Ian Brady has had a fit. Or is it a panic attack, or remorse, or a cry for help?
Ian knows where I am.
I can even see the eagle headed rock for he NEVER will.
He has hours only to reveal that he knows or was Mr Invisible, a ghost perhaps sat on a rock in another time.
He knows I am in the right place.
That is why he had a panic attack if it was one or a severe case of loss of power.
July 28, 2008 at 4:24 pm
I feel compelled to say, Pauline, that you truly are full of your own importance…and do seem to take great pleasure in spewing forth with great passion your views, which in turn cause you to sound like a right know-it-all.
The truth of it is quite simple, really. We, the public, will only ever know so much. We weren’t there, and so we did not see with our own eyes what happend.
And quite frankly, you seem to be mocking Mr Brady. Perhaps he is remorseful…perhaps he is crying out for help. He is only human after all, not a monster, as the popular press would describe him.
He was taken ill. I find it repulsive when others subtly take pleasure in the suffering of others, whoever they may be.
July 29, 2008 at 11:03 pm
its so easy to judge ppl but plz remember we are not the judges,we live life to how we ourselves choose.my quest to find keith started only 4 weeks ago and i av no intentions ov stopping…can all plz put winnie in there minds as she will now need us all with her.i cant say too much but i want winnie to know my heart is with u sweet and i will try so hard to find ur little boy
August 1, 2008 at 3:43 pm
can any1 help me plz,during a wonder upon the moor i came across an old style bottle buried but not very deep.this bottle is a champagne style brown bottle engraved slack and cox ltd manchester..as well as looking out of place for where it was found i cant find much on about the company if any1 can help it be appreciated..maybe residue from an old picnic if this is the case i wouldnt picnic there for sure..last bit i did find on this company was a take over bid by corona in 1966…can u see where this seems to take me plz help if u av any info for me thanks micky
August 1, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Ian Brady is not ill, he is clinically insane and tonight he has more than proved he is clinically insane. But I am resiliant as I am not giving in to psychophants that want praise on my coat tails.
August 4, 2008 at 9:25 am
Mr Holmes if Ian was remorseful why hasnt he given up kieths grave, there is a saying if you cant do the punishment then you shouldnt do the crime, after all it wasnt just 1 child they murdered between them 4x 20years life sentences = 80yrs in prison. What about the families who`s children he murdered they also have a life sentence so its many lives they affected.
August 4, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Sadly, I do not believe that Brady will ever be of any real help in locating the body of little Keith.
After reading Topping’s account of the hundreds of hours he spent with Brady in the late 80’s- as well as the brief account of Winnie Johnson’s attorney David Kirwan, who saw Brady twice last year at Ashworth and failed to gain any concrete information- it seems clear to me that Brady has no intention of ever giving up any truly useful information.
Brady seeks attention and feigns offers of help merely to manipulate everything and everyone to his own selfish interests. It is a game to him and a very sick one- one in which he enjoys watching the suffering of others as they dance helplessly around him.
Brady is not going to change his MO. Those who believe he will might do well to remember the old adage: “What is the definition of stupidity?” Answer: “Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”
August 4, 2008 at 7:06 pm
There is no modus operandi as it is a ‘signature’. You would do well to read of CONFABULATION forensically where parts of one story fit another. It is my view the fiasco on Tuesday was because if I read his lawyer right Ian told with some others of a location at Wessenden Head. It then became a full alert as this is Gospel from Myra. The same Myra that is saying Ian used his bike at the time of the murder of Pauline and does not recognise images and features sent to him via his lawyer.
Painful as it was there are lessons to be learned. People lie for greed and promotion of their professions for differing reasons that are sat on the coat tails of the fable teller, the one who fears most of all his father’s image on the net and not that of his victims.
Read the newspapers. He is said to have helped persons and that is not me. He has not replied to me as to photos as he recognises none. He has led a merry dance to places that she led them to and he endorsed. Are the messages I give him via his lawyer correct. I do not think so for I lead the same dance now I know who is the enemy.
Mark one thing. We are not giving up. We will not be upset by the acts of a Primary Narcissist and those as undiagnosed with this condition who follow his every work. My word now to him is just as deceptive for we are at war Mr Brady and he knows why.
August 4, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Pauline, I am having trouble understanding what you are saying.
Also, my comments were not meant in any criticism of your search efforts, but rather in my doubts as to the sincerity and motives of any of Brady’s offers of help, both past and present.
In fact, I admire your efforts and wish you good fortune in your progress. Do you play chess?
August 4, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Ethnography to the untrained person is in fact habit as to the same result as to programming as in table rapping and entertainment as a set mode of output.
The method of analytical induction in contrast to pathways where the objective is not a change of direction as reflexivity is outside the scope of some.So read Measor.L. (1985) ‘Interviewing: a strategy in qualitative research’ Burgess, R, ( ed) Strategies in Educational Research. London.
Brady or Stewart as his real name was not following a modus operandi as he failed to attain his goal -that of being a Kray and a Mastermind. He did in fact become an exile with no homeland and was expelled by the use of penal welfarism under the Scottish Act of clemancy for the deprived and depraved.
The English gave the failed regime of Borstal as corporal punishment that the regime enforcers enjoyed.
In contrast Myra a street fighter as was her sister performed the art of ‘fitness’ in the jungle yet they are saying in error that Ian did use his bike at 8.45 pm and Myra drove the van that belonged to Ben Boyce of Abbey Hey as a learner driver to a country location she had never been before.
Yet, Harrison places succinctley Myra, Maureen and David outsite Pauline Reade’s house at 9.05 pm. This not time for the choreography to become fact. It is fiction and part of another programmed revenge murder of Myra. Challenge what you will. Myra is outside the home of Pauline as is Maureen and David when the grocery van empirically is not on the Moor as she stated.
It simply is the tale of the ‘Emporer with no cloths’. She and Ian were not on the Moors at 9 pm and neither was Pauline. The fable continues as to what is a method of abduction, torture, murder and disposal as patterns of gender in reverse. It simply is a signature not a modus operandi to the academic mind and one that has reconstructed it and found it lacking in validity.
Of course none scientists may disagree. But they are seekers not empirical investigators to what is and cannot be so. Sheep pen tells us that as it is not a real object is it not, nor is the ‘eagle has landed’ as to reality as it was a film yet a rock is formative of this film to Ian as an ideology.
August 5, 2008 at 9:19 am
Curly-it’s Ms Holmes, to correct you.
I do not know if Mr Brady is remorseful, only he knows that, I simply said that perhaps he feels remorse. And as for why he has yet to disclose the location of Keith Bennett’s grave…it is possible that he can no longer recall-perhaps he wasn’t even present when Keith was buried…after all Myra Hindley could’ve easily buried the boy alone, and as some people have surmised, murdered him single-handedly.
Also, I do not deny that the families of those children have, themselves, been served a life sentence; they have suffered unimaginably.
August 8, 2008 at 2:27 pm
All i can say about any of this is!
I live local to the Moors, in the 80′s my brother was working for GMP as a policeman.He said that Brady wanted to help very much in finding Keith, but Topping took him to the wrong area, he told Topping this in front of my brother, Topping would not listen and debunked him and sent him back to the prison, as Topping then relised he got it all so very very wrong.
As a local, not one of us believe Kieth is in Shiny Brook, not even the land owners.Brady has asked to go back and show where Keith is, but they will not take him due to a mass cover up over the mistakes that were make in the 60′s and 80′s, they do not want to loose face.
As for Paula she is know to the police and locals, if you speek to the police regarding her they will tell you she is as nutty as a fruitcake, and the locals call her the village idiot.
Dont take my word for any of the above,go and find out for your self,but be careful who you listen to,and dont beieve all you read.
It shows you how the police work also, 6 hours to identify sheep bones.
As for Brady, how would you feel if you told the poice you had been taken to the wrong place, and then shoved back in a van and taken back to prison and told to shut up ?
Brady has made statements saying he wants to go back to the moor, but they dont want to take him,as it would reveal the mess in the 80′s which was make.
I know if i was trying to tell someone where i had put a body and i was ignored, in the end i would say ,stuff you lot i cant be assed now to help you.Bloody hell what a frustration
Micky i can understand how you feel, there are many out there looking for Keith with there tales and claims, go with your heart and write everything down you receive.
May be one day if Keith is found you can say, hey what i got was correct, thats the real deal of it all.
As for Winnie, bless her,my family know her well, she knows Keith will never be found, and she is aware of the nutters that are out there, i must say it gives her a good laugh.None of you understand how she feels, but i will say she would rather believe a medium than a scientist
August 8, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Steve, what you say about Topping’s search with Brady in the 80′s has a ring of truth with what Psychic/Medium Christine Hamlett says on her website about where she feels Keith is buried.
Here are some quoted excerpts from Psychic/Medium Christine Hamlett:
“… At once we felt this was the right place..We later found out that this second place WHERE WE FELT RIGHT. WAS HOLLIN BROW KNOLL…
Even to find hollin brown knoll was no mean feat. To find the place at all was amazing. Keith is buried on the same side of the road as John Kilbrides his body was found on ground across the road opposite Hollin Brown Knoll. Its just a bit further up and around the bend I know people are searching in this area right now. At this place there is a layby ..a stream and ruins of what could have been sheep pens…..a rock marking the place Indians head….gullies down at the bottom near Greenfield spring …..in fact everything that is on Myra’s map is also at this place…
If the police had gone onto the Moors by this route Instead of going onto the Moors by the Hoe Grain. They would of found all the things they looked for when they took Myra and Ian back on the Moors to look for Keiths body. They still would…
Ian Brady planned his murders and burials very carefully. One side of the road for girls Hollin Brown Knoll. The other side of the road for boys. Pauline and Lesley were found on the same side of the road at Hollin Brown Knoll. John’s body on the other side of the road opposite Hollin Brown Knoll. If the police had not caught the Moors Murderes and found the body of Edward Evans he to would of ended up being buried near to John Klibride. Myra and Ian have said that keith is buried in the shiny brook area near Wessenden Head area this is a couple of miles down the road from Hollin Brown Knoll. But it must be remembered that Myra had said that she and Ian did not know the names of any places on the Moors that they just knew them as the Moors..it does not make sence at all. Why when they had buried all their victims in the same area would they then decide to bury Keith in a totally different place???…
The road the police took Myra onto when she revisited the mooors in the 80s did not exist in the 60s this confused her.. Same with Ian they took him towards shiny brook on the waterboard rd that was not there in the 60s when AI an murdered Keith and took hin onto the moors…In his book Topping who was leading the hunt said he did not know which way to take them on the moors so HE CHOOSE HOE GRAIN…”
Hmmmm…
August 8, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Steve…when you say Paula, do you mean Pauline Anne Badger, who has commented extensively here? Just wondered, as if that were the case, I’m afraid I would be inclined to agree.
August 9, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Subversive, bent coin
August 9, 2008 at 7:24 pm
No degree, no name just a manic depressive failure and set of as Jackson Burns would agree. No one has really had the balls or lack of them perhaps monthly menstral cycle is at work. But hey hoe, if my letters after my name and real identity piss someone off that is ok.
August 9, 2008 at 7:26 pm
In defense of Pauline/Paula: I personally have enjoyed her comments. I sometimes don’t understand them (she could probably go head-to-head with Brady in a long word slug-fest anytime), but hey, she’s a “scientist”, so she’s allowed to be a little wonky. She was a local back in those days, and she seems to know a lot about the case. She also seems to care a lot about Winnie and seems very sincere in her efforts to find little Keith.
August 9, 2008 at 7:42 pm
…well to be honest, it really has nothing to do with the “letters after” your name. For me personally, it has something to do with the fact that you talk predominately in riddles, and often your statements reek of some kind of faux-intelligence.
August 9, 2008 at 8:12 pm
But Holmes, don’t you find Pauline’s comments interesting? You don’t have to agree with her. She has a certain style, and some of her metaphors crack me up. She puts a lot of time into her comments and obviously cares a lot about finding Keith. She is also out there on the moors helping to find him. I think Silly Old Twit wants us all to play nice. So why don’t we just give her a break and let her do her thing here.
August 9, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Master in science to big for you to ‘swallow’ big boy or is it the psychology addition that is upsetting you?
I can hold my own where others cannot in the ‘field’.
Checkmate.
August 9, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Pauline, Holmes is not a boy. Two wrongs don’t make a right, so let’s all play nice!
August 9, 2008 at 9:18 pm
My family have lived in the area for over 200 years.
Go to any book store or Ebay and there are about 20 books out there on the Moors, read them, then you will see the mistakes in the case, its not rocket science, and you will also become an expert on the matter, or like to think you are.
Every week the police in Manchester receive many calls from people claiming they know where the body of Keith Bennett is, they are from psychics to Jo Bloggs, and every now and then the police will take a trip to the Moor with them, only to show an interest, but they dont really have one, its way for teh public to still think they are doing something.
As for the mediums on the Moor, there was talk in the local pub that Christine was prven wrong with her information on Keith where he was, as teh ground there had not been touched for thousands of years, a geologist team went there.
It would be great if Keith was near John, he would be found by now, or very soon.The local Belief is he is on that side, but not that area.
If all you guys knew how many people are up on those Moors weekend in and weekend out you would be amazed, and they are all looking for Keith.
Your best leaving this to the professionals who are up there,and this is not the police, all it does is hinder there investigation.
Check your junk mail and see how many emails you get a week saying you can buy a deploma etc on line!
August 10, 2008 at 7:02 am
Oh, how your envy is showing ‘Steve’, my graduation photos are from a university that is accredited and I am a professional in my field. Of course one local recorded, we know who you are but who are ‘they’. Epistemic communities stick together and access the largest database of online journals that others cannot who do not have post graduate qualifications.
The professionals are not persons who have no scientific practical qualifications and are there because one person fears something found when Keith is found will implicate that person. It is manic digging and manic behaviour. But as said this is a race to find him for kudos, nothing to do with closure for a mother.
If Brady had not said of the other two murders over twenty years ago no one would care less. It would have been better than way. But he chose to confide in Fred Harrison as knew he would not sit down for this. He is to be commended as Mounsey should as experts in the field of psychological evaluation.
I do not have a ‘Deploma’. I have awarded Masters and Honours Graduate Certificates and DIPLOMA in other disciplines. So this is a very angry person and persons who are subverting what is going on or not going on as they need to know and get in first. Not so. There is no race. Find him or as D says ‘put up or shut up’.
August 10, 2008 at 8:50 am
…”big boy” Is there any need for such childish terminology, really?
I have no trouble excepting the qualifications of others, so no, I have no difficulty in “swallowing” that.
For all you know, any number of people who’ve commented here could have qualifications equal to your own…but unlike yourself, they obviously don’t see the need to list them after their name. I don’t point to myself in that, before you question it. I don’t feel the need to justify my intelligence.
I do find it amusing that you seem so riled by the comments made here. This is a discussion..a debate, a sharing of opinions and thoughts on a truly terrible subject-something that, as adults, we ought to be able to conduct in a respectful manner. Yet you’re resorting to school-yard quips…
Perhaps, Pauline, it is you that is having trouble swallowing. Swallowing the fact that not everybody is going to agree with you, or readily accept what you say as gospel.
Something I realised a long time ago, was that, intelligence isn’t simply shown through the things we achive in school and university-it is so much more than that, it’s gained through life experience and the willingness to listen-to really listen.
The abbreviations following your name only mean so much, after all-nowadays-any Tom, Dick or Harry can attend university…it’s “book knowledge” and in my opinion there is something deeper-something, I feel those that fault their academia are missing.
August 10, 2008 at 8:51 am
…that flaunt, their academia, rather.
August 10, 2008 at 3:41 pm
You do not then own land or have been in the armed forces. I did not leave with a stain on my character.
August 10, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Could please explain what you mean, because quite frankly that statement makes little sense to me-perhaps it was aimed a someone other than myself, I’m not entirely sure.
However, it if were aimed at me…then I’d ask you to refrain from making presuming anything about my personal life…besides, I’m not clear on what owning land or having been in the armed forces has to do with anything.
August 10, 2008 at 5:46 pm
You do not need to hide behind this identity so what are you challenging me for? God walks the Moor not Myra and her lovers.
August 10, 2008 at 5:59 pm
And which identity is it that I’m supposedly hiding behind?
August 10, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Steve, does anyone out on the moors looking for Keith think Brady is truly willing to help find Keith? Do you or they think his mind is too far gone to remember where Keith is buried? Do you think Brady wants to hold onto any knowledge of where Keith is buried as his perceived last hold over everyone? What form of assistance has been the most helpful so far in your search for Keith? Do you feel you and those searching for Keith are getting close to finding him?
August 11, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Those who use online identities are not valid as to their roles and in my case as I do have the guts to use my real name and not a plethora of names then I can ask my lawyer to sue for defamation of character and demand from the owner of this blog the email addresses as a lawful complaint. The persons who hide behind no names are afraid of saying who they really are. But they cannot hide from the legal aspects of what they say about a named person.
There are bogus persons frogmarched off the land by police and those who have no permission from the landowner who are turfed off to, and have been. Dogs at this time of the year will be shot if on the Moor without permission, be warned.
Someone is very worried at a real scientist who is not afraid of doing it the right and ethical way to find a solution that that has failed those looking for the past twenty years.How much more peat do they have to dig up? The answer is if the digger has not found Keith now the Lord is determined that he will never do so. Right?
August 11, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Don’t you think that suggesting that a defamation of your character has occured, is perhaps a somewhat dramatic? I don’t believe that I’ve said anything that could in any way blacken your character-I don’t know you. And, really, theatening to sue? For goodness sake! If you put yourself into a public domain such as this one, and so openly share your opinions, views or whatever else it is you have to say…then there are bound to be people who disagree, or dislike what it is you have to say. It’s something you accept, and move on from.
Aside from that…I would like to point out the the name I use here is, in actual fact, my real name. So I’m not quite sure where you’re going with that one.
I have no concern with a real scientist…I’m not entirely sure why you would think that would worry me, but regardless, this seems a pointless carry on.
August 14, 2008 at 4:50 pm
This mainly goes out to Paula Badger (forgive me if I do not list your post-nominals).
I really think that you need to get a healthier hobby and this is not an insult but concern for a fellow somebody.
I do think though it’s in bad taste to list ones academic credentials in this forum as it smacks of desperation and is slightly vulgar. Anyway that said, I also work in the criminological field and although I have a few crime and deviance based academic peer reviewed publications out (above is not my real name by the way) , I would never dream of putting myself accross as a forensic or any other sort of expert.
In the past I also got sucked into the Brady/Hindley case and read all available books and visited Saddleworth etc. However as someone who’s main interest and motivation for being connected to the criminal justice system is to uphold justice for victims, I have certainly never had any sympathy for Brady or Hindley. Nor have I ever romanticised these individuals or the innocent moors that they defiled along with the innocence of childhood and the 1960s.
I like to think I was always dispassionate about the whole thing and interested in the case only insofar as it was unusual in many ways. However having only very recently read Brady’s ‘Gates of Janus’ I would now say that I feel nothing but passionate revulsion for Brady. it seems that on this forum there are those who are impressed or rather fascinated by him and his misanthropic 6th form half-baked and highly pretentious and badly interpreted Nietzschian ‘philosophy’.
His book provided not a shred of useful analysis or insight into the motivation of serial killers or psychopaths and was merely a vehicle for Brady to show off his reading (or more likely his ability to selectively cut and paste)and in a more sinister sense gave him a chance to voice his hatred for humanity.
It is clear from my reading of his book that 40 odd years of treatment and introspection have not changed him one jot. The Brady writing this awefull book is exactly the same Brady who butchered little children all those years ago. Yes it really proves that Brady is a superman and beyond good and evil through his killing of defenceless kids who were from working class poor backgrounds. His juvenile arrogance and pretentiousness hasn’t changed at all. Small wonder he makes no referrence to his own repulsive crimes in this book. I doubt he is ashamed of the misery he caused but I suppose he knows that even on a pseudo intellectual/philosphical level the killing of children
is impossible to justify.
I detect a fair bit of Prurience and amatuer sluethery of the Sherlock Holmes type in this forum and very little sympathy for people like Winnie Johnson who has suffered longer than anyone. I suggest you save your pity for her and desist from your sick Brady worship.
Thank you.
August 15, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Karl:
Don’t you think you are being a little hard on everyone? I mean, most people here are certainly not Brady worshipers and do indeed feel much sympathy for Winnie and the families of all the victims.
Okay, I guess I’m the one who is guilty of what you call “amateur sluethery of the Sherlock Holmes type”. I had just finished reading “An Evil Love” about Fred and Rosemary West (very hard to take), and that twisted couple reminded me of certain parallels with Hindley and Brady. I ended up reading seven books about Hindley and Brady in the last couple of months. I realize that seems obsessive, but I can assure you that my interest has nothing to do with “prurience”. (I had to look the meaning of that one up: “Marked by unwholesome sexual interest; having or intended to arouse an unwholesome interest in sexual matters”)
As for Pauline, I wish everyone would just leave her alone and just “scroll on” if you don’t like what she says. If you read her post under Silly Old Twit’s “Personal History of an Irish Blogger”, you can surmise that she has had a very hard and difficult childhood. She also said on this page that she is “…dyslexic and disabled…”. She has managed, nevertheless, to educate herself and is obviously very proud of her accomplishments. So why can’t we let her be proud? I realize she can be a bit defensive and critical, but she contributes a lot to this forum. She has a unique style and some of her metaphors are priceless. For example, this one in one of her descriptions of Hindley: “…most normal people or those that knew her and were not affected by her in her seductive manner saw through the gravel voice like coal dust on an ice cream and fag ash fingers that were like tentacles of bone and scrawny as an old prawn left out to dry.”
On another subject, are you the same Carl that left a comment on the “Ian Brady The Gates of Janus” page? It is the best synopsis of Brady’s twisted philosophy that I have ever read. Thank you!
Peace
August 17, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Hi again folks,
‘Interested in Pheonix’ you are indeed right and I was lazy in that I didnt read all the comments and now it is clear that not everyone is sympathetic to Brady.
The initial view by ‘Silly Old Twit’ apropos of Brady as a “working class hero” prabably made me see red and after that I wasn’t prepared to be reasonable.
I too I guess, am a bit strange for having an interest in Brady and Hindley which has lasted many years although after reading most available stuff I am not so fascinated these days.
So sorry everyone (except the ‘old twit’) and keep em coming…..Bring it on as they say.
August 17, 2008 at 6:57 pm
…..Oh sorry ‘interested in Pheonix’ I forgot to say that again you are right about Pauline’s wonderfull wordage and specifically her Myra metaphors.
The one about ‘seeing through her gravel accent like coal dust on ice cream’ and ‘fingers like moldy prawns left out to dry’…..
She obviously has a great talent and whilst she should be proud of her qualifications, she clearly doesnt need to cite them as her intelligence and literary skills shine through anyway…
Thanks for pointing this out and sorry Pauline and please keep em coming…
August 17, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Karl, you are one class act!
August 22, 2008 at 4:44 pm
FAME: renown: the condition of being very well known
INFAMY: 1. notoriety: the disgrace to somebody’s reputation caused by an infamous act or behavior; 2. shameful conduct: shameful or criminal conduct or character; 3. evil deed: a publicly known infamous act or event
Silly Old Twit seems to confuse Ian Brady’s infamy with fame:
“Brady was of course a failure in so far as he ended up in prison but in the context of our celebrity culture driven society he was a huge sucess. And let’s face it , juvenile and immature as it may be , we would all like to be famous. And I do honestly belive that he is a man of great inner strenght. …”
I like Paula’s response:
“Oh, so as a infamous person like salmonella and ebola he is a success?… There is infamy and fame and neither are in the pudding of immortality.”
She got it right, as did Karl in his description of Brady on the Janus page:
“In sum this ‘Janus’ publication is merely a vehicle for Brady to try to ‘prove’ his intellectual superiority by showing off how well read he is and how anyone who doesn’t sexually abuse and kill children is somehow -in his twisted logic -’part of the common herd’. Anyone who kills vulnerable small defensless babies has demonstated their ‘Neitzschian will to power’-it would be quite a comical stance if it wasnt so disgusting. If Neitzschie was turning in his grave for inspiring Hitler (another Brady hero) he must be doing somersaults for influencing the Uber-Inadequate untermensch Brady!”
August 23, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Its a shame that some of you are picking on pauline for the way she speaks and for having intials after her name after all she has earned them through study and hard work its just that she has good grammer as you see i have no , or . that because i have no idea where they go but my spelling i hope is ok. does it matter how keith is found so long as he is found whether through science form or through a medium sorry to ms Holmes for calling her Mr and ian brady is so far gone like you so he cant remember where Kieth is and showing no remorse but just gloating all the time and he should stay in prison till the day he dies
August 25, 2008 at 3:46 pm
All the people who know I have funded my academic research as academic know that it is for Winnie as I am perhaps the only one here in that time that was in the same ‘soup’ of poverty and not affected.
So I am sure that my edge on others is I knew Eddie Evans and the vile images on YouTube of his dead body and his being trussed are from a very sick former police officer I am told as they are not in the public domain.
This I cannot come to terms with. Nor can I the subversive that put Myra’s images on the Olympics as a psychopath that is out to make her seem in death less than the bacteria that invade her spores on a Moor.
So try as you will none of those who condemn have yet to put one cent in their pocket as others know I have for no reward. No fame and no entertainment.
Mike knows I nearly died last week and he and his friends saved my life. It is now in the hands of the police and if ANYONE attempts to vandalise this crime scene they will be arrested../
Note that we are not close as Ian was told at Ashworth and Winnie is knowing of. We are there. X marks the spot is defined in Brady’s own hand as a work of art.
So sit and wait before judgement as neither Mike or I is to give up after so many threats and simple minded imbeciles.
To do empirical investigation needs more than Ashworth residents metality akin to the abandonment rage product and Munchausen’s by Proxy Myra. Both Ian and Myra had doubles as in the film they saw in Oldham as to ‘Scapegoat’.
I cannot say more or reveal as some want the location and marker Ian left in his own graveyard. Someone knows I have disturbed it and is very angry as the one that watches for Ian. This act was deliberate to show we had found his marker.
August 25, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Pauline: Your news is very encouraging. I don’t know what happened to you last week, but please take care of yourself and be careful. Calling for an angel on your shoulder ~.~
August 25, 2008 at 6:08 pm
As someone who has had the pleasure of meeting Pauline and being a close personal friend to Micky, i do not understand why people are casting stones. After all the aim here is to bring a little boy home to his mother so she can lay him to rest as she wishes.
Pauline has been on a long quest, and has her reasons for it. Money or fame are not reasons,if that was the case then why would she be funding her work herself for the past how many years ???
It does not matter if mistakes have been made, what matters is the outcome. A mother being able to lay a son to rest and to be able to allow her heart some peace after all these years.
I have seen how micky as grown over the past few months, and I KNOW that all he and Pauline wish is for is an end to this,for the family of Keith.
I do not understand why the authorities do not listen. Makes u wonder what they are hiding does it not ? Or is it simply they do not care, yet have to be seen to be doing something.
Please do not judge people you do not know, no one can understand what Winnie and her feel. Its impossible to stand in her shoes.
I have lost a friend who was beheaded. I know it feels as a friend to not have him home and at peace, it took weeks to find his body, longer to find his head. Saying that, i would never assume to know how Winnie feels as a mother, only a mother who has lost in this way can understand.
It doesnt matter how he is found as long as he is, and i for one am humbled by the fact that after all this time a few people who do not know him care enough to try their damndest to find him.
Personal attacks are bullying behaviour by people intimidated by what and who they do not understand.
I have faith complete faith in you both.
August 25, 2008 at 7:19 pm
over 7 weeks pauline and myself av walked the moors,looking,searching,and eventually we av found the location we feel is correct..all the signs Brady as mentioned excist to where we both were drawn..im now waiting for someone to believe and av the courage to say lets do it…many ppl watch this site..we av done wat we can to get there now we need some1 to push more and trust in wat we av …i was given end of olympics and a sign will be given…amazing that the end ov the olympics are marred with the face of myra ..we asked the media over the weekend to pay for eddie and keela,the searching trained dogs that found the missing children in jersey, in order to aliminate any other areas..pray by weekend the headline britain wants is – “we found our lad”
August 25, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Have faith Micky, they the police thought it a hoax and it is bank holiday, they are listening and are onsite and no action of invasive procedures is to be taken, not by anyone other than the police who have trained men and women who are able to do their best for the ‘lad’ our Keith.
I think the sheer incredibility of US finding such indicators that are a million to one that has been missed for over 45 years are as Brady said ‘like teaching the blind to see’.
He is using metaphors as you have to be blind to feel, as feel felt found, something he is no longer capable of.
To me, the image of Myra is a desperate act of some person who uses national pride to show the face most people want to smear with Faecal matter.
When in Salford University doing tropical medicine in 2002 I had to smear poo on two mesh screens to count malaria parasite eggs. It was a lesson in looking so closely at things at first that are repulsive. It is not something Ian Stewart aka Brady could do.
The way he thinks dirt does not touch him and their fame is said to resemble superhuman intellect and the actions of organised killers is like this example. To see the parasite and where he puts his victim, you have to sit in poo, do you not Mickey and see from another angle?
Parasites have a cell cycle and I am convinced both Myra and Ian will have in the next few days every image in every gallery banned by the Prime Minister in case some subversive again damages our identity as a caring nation.
I think due to what happened at the end of the Olympics Winnie Johnson should open them in London, as by then she will have sat in the sunshine in a blessed churchyard some years with her first born was he not, and she can smile as Myra’s image is put in the ashes. For art is not infamy.
As an artist too, I know there is sensationalism, and there is realism. The one thing everyone said to me was ‘we pray, and Britain prays for you to bring him home’.
I and Mickey cannot do the ‘lad’ justice in invasive action, the police can and will. Please believe so many hoaxes and false call-ins have led to this state of who and what to believe.
But rest assured Gordon Brown will have some one’s head on a plate if this is buggered up, and it will not be ours.
As the victory sign can be upturned as we saw so it can be reversed.
I will not be goaded into action that is beyond my competance and those with me.
There is a procedure and that is being followed. We trust in those procedures. But our patience and unrest is in knowing x marks the spot, but not the kit or skills to recover as it were. That is why we are on here to show faith in that system, and that competance.
Ian Brady put victims in the ground because they were children. He knows the ‘game is up’. I have taken his King and his cypher. He has no seal at all now.
Keith rests and waits only for a policemans spade, doing so free from media and of interested parties with other agenda’s. No less will do.
August 25, 2008 at 8:23 pm
‘most normal people or those that knew her and were not affected by her in her seductive manner saw through the
gravel voice like coal dust on an ice cream
and fag ash fingers that were like tentacles of bone and scrawny as an old prawn left out to dry.”
Now some budding artist paint that image.
August 25, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Pauline and Micky:
Your progress reports are indeed great and exciting news! Thank you for keeping us informed. As you say, you are wise not to disturb the area. I don’t know, but maybe it takes some time to locate and bring in the people who know how to exhume in this delicate circumstance. In the meantime, I hope police are thoroughly guarding the site. I do hope so much that there will be a positive outcome- Winnie and you all who have worked so hard certainly deserve success at last.
As for the fleeting mug of Myra on that video, it seems unbelievable that it could have happened. As an American, I can assure you that no one thinks of the UK as anything but a great and caring nation, a shining example to look up to. I am so glad the 2012 Olympics will be in London.
On a similar complimentary note, my son is a trainer here in the States for a call center software program. The trainings are for five days each. He has trained all over the States and recently gave his first trainings abroad- all three in England. I assumed they were in London. Here comes the synchronicity: When I spoke with him afterwards, he told me that one of the trainings was for the Bank of Scotland in Manchester. I told him how ironic that was; because during the time he was there, I was reading anything and everything I could about the Moors Murders. He had never heard of the murders, but he said if the subject had come up, he would have said he was so sorry, that unfortunately horrible things can happen in any wonderful community. He went on to say that everyone in the group he trained was so welcoming and friendly, as was everyone he came into contact with in Manchester. He stayed at the Atrium By Bridge Street on Princess Street, and his training group took him to pubs and to the top of a tall building where he could see all over Manchester. He thought it was wonderful. On his way to the airport on the day he left, he said he drove through many different neighborhoods rather than take the direct route to the airport.
August 26, 2008 at 4:53 am
Thank you, as a Mancunian and a slum kid who lived in more poverty and deprivation than Gorton and that did not have the chances and luxury that both Myra and Ian had I am proud as Mikey is proud of his Oldham. Because now Saddleworth is in Lancashire politically the joining of the two roses is more distinct in bonding of pride. True there are few jobs in Oldham and there are few opportunities. But there is true grit.
Most of the things you say my United States friends say when coming in to the airport be they casino owners, realtors or politicians.
I am pround to be a tracker with a United States volunteer search agency, one of the largest and most prolific, and a Member of Brent Turvey Criminal Profiling and student. Due to the events of the past seven years I have learned a lot as life skills of people’s mentality and psychogeology, that is an understanding of the landscape and how it is situated on a mind map of a person.
But as I worked on the Shasta Groene case and write to her guardian in US we are united in concern for the child. Not many will know of Dillan who did not make it in the hands of a man who came out of prison, and took up academic study to become a software specialist endorsed by his Professor. He massacred a family and took the two children. He, though not knowing his name I knew following the socio economic path would retain his route.
Shasta is in my heart and always will be. I sent her a full set of special local books to cherish and I love her so very, very much. I remember Xiana Fairchild and her being found, Amber Swartz, and the other missing children from cutting my teeth on the book of John Philpin of Stalemate and going to the locations to see myself. American sherrif’s in the locations have keenly listened to psychogeological perspectives I call geological profiling. I am not interested AT all with who took them for they are nothing, not famous, not celebrities, not even special. Like a person who does not wash they give off a special odour, a sour one.
Just as in life some can scent death as a dog can some can scent the path these take. My indebtedness is to the waitress who noticed the normal and saved Shasta from the man I will not name as he would be ‘famous’ in this logic.
Science is only good if you do not adhere to rigid laboratory thinking and as Mounsey did dare to rethink and be ridiculed for this. Mounsey is my star, and one I aspire to be like all these years in this circuitous route where no one wanted us to go. Where the sad truth is Ian Duncan Stewart came to us from a court order and stayed not in the Atrium but in the famous Victorian fortress called Strangeways, was birched in Borstal and had no friends in Scotland or on coming to England as he brags he had in his own ‘league’ of thinking as he puts it.
If it is taken I am or have been sticking up for this man, be sure I am tracing the mind of who can write on the Moors and been wrong. I thought I was looking at the handiwork of Myra as he played the card of Myra now the Master. The truth is in reverse and his apprenticeship went on as he grew to bold and insane as he watched this witch within our golden days society. When our lads died on the M62 coming of cheap provident check motorbikes, Ian sedately rode a moped at the speed of grannie walking. Myra and he grannie ran a home embalming service if the book Lost Boy is to be believed from the selected, edited and coiffured notes.
The performance of the witch and the monster began much earlier I suggest as the killer of Dillan began. Right there in childhood as two affected infants who would stamp, rant and get their own way as players on a stage in ghetto land. Manchester and Glasgow is not a ghetto anymore and is proud, though not of such identities imortalised in images as some sort of Jack the Ripper celebritiesm.
To see this I have to go to Piccadilly, and to Oldham on the little train at Victoria and see ordinary people. One such set of angels sent me wer Andrea and Adele, not knowing me they said ‘do you believe in life after death’. It must be my face or what as rich and poor shelter under me. Or the odour I have that is like others as Mikey has and Christine. When the storm hits some there are special people that perhaps God or the Higher Being sends in as the ‘good Samaritan’. Some shrug and see an opportunity for stardom.
Thus, answering the fragile lady who had been bereaved for two months and her daughter on this little train I gave love and wisdom I hope, most of all they gave me hope. For two persons who I might never have met came to be the golden days memory of sharing grief, understanding it, and listening to it when no one else could understand loss and tragedy and Teresa highlights here.
What to do with the ashes, they said. How can one answer for a loved one, and for each one? The answer was it depends on the timing.
Due to some forces at work there is a time for something being found, read or understood. Christine now knows that. The time for Myra to appear on the screen is the time where their is a new ending to the infamy that is said to be a positive of a man with no name.
His fame if you like has been the riddles and the interplay with Myra who is long dead, and was born to be dead this way from before conception. Even her mother got remarried in 1965, before this became her affliction, so she escaped the name Hindley.
Winnie Johnson did not escape, cannot escape the pack of reporters when Brady calls the tune to a voracious media. He is insane of course and has let his lawyer take the flack for his replies as to validity of his crimes, a hundred he would admit to as that would make him a Bundy. Yet unlike Bundy he could not stand alone, he could not and cannot be seen to be a failure, a reject of society, born like Myra as two named biological specimens that I imagine between the shite as parasites that have not bred thankfully and die without issue.
Thank you for the comments. But please pray for Winnie, an old lady who has this on her back, and for our efforts today to be legal, honest and reputable subjects of our proud community and country. Pray that the police will find with our information the insight given them and massive research involving many in ethnographic analytical induction. Sorry for the jargon, it is a term to define observing till the right fit exists that explains ‘Difference’ and not average as Goffman is quoted as a guide. Dare to make and rehash data as qualitative and as new information is observed and shared.
Without Mikey and his constant feedback and special qualities I could not have gone on as I told Fred Harrison over two months ago, for I too am an old lady now, an OAP and life long learner.
But read only that you can make a difference, do not see the face of a person and see fame in anyone for look at Gary Glitter, not his real name of course, for it is Paul Gadd, a mere fictional character.
CHARACTERS IN A PLAY THAT HISTORY WILL REMOVE AND REWRITE AS THEY BECOME OLD AND THEIR DNA BREAKS ITS BONDS AND CHAINS. TARNISHED AND SHED FROM THE PAGES OF THE MEDIA.
Reject such notions of fame and superman or woman for such characters.
But pray that police have all they can to aid finding Keith from this location as I have handed over to Mikey to be their guide today and tomorrow. I am now not able to walk the Moor. Please pray for the time is now. Bring our lad home from the ‘Moor’ where he has been inset all these years. For that I have to pray for again at this early morn for success in the operation and stay below the parapet as it were.
Please take time to pray will you for this result.
August 26, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Pauline:
You seem to have had such an amazing life- an amazing story to tell. I do hope you write a book someday. I will purchase the first copy.
I did not know you have worked on so many children’s cases. I am familiar with the ones you mention. How nice that you are like a guardian angel to little Shasta. What a brave little girl she is.
I know you have mentioned in past posts that you are a healer. Are you also then an intuit or psychic? What kind of healings do you do?
I am holding out for the best for Winnie and you and Micky and all involved. What an ironic bit of synchronicity Myra appearing in those video shots was. I choose to hold it that way.
I pray for you all and for the operation to be successful- and as Micky said: “pray by weekend the headline Britain wants is – “WE FOUND OUR LAD”!
August 26, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Ask Pat Cairns if she dares to look at the legacies left her as I think the missing sixpence pieces may fit an item that is given to her. I would suggest police impound this. It is not to difficult to see her (Myra’s)tell tale smirk and that the Lord works in mysteriouse ways as Mikey always alerts me to. The butterfly is not a picture I say, it is a trophy,
All our work is with David Kirwan our solicitor as we are minorities at risk of exploitation in one form or another and there are those who I am told want to do a ‘live dig’. How utterly disgusting for any hack to what to do a ‘Diana’.
But as I am of all faiths and disabled I am charitable as is Mikey and so we wait and others have joined us with information, but rest assured the fax number is on my computer ready for ‘send’ if there is no result in four days. Most know of my logic is when the shit hits the fan go for the highest. So beware of crossing me and Mikey. Those who are now behind the scenes helping the Lord loves you.
Winnie will get her fine horses and her wish.
Those who support us, thank you. No less will do.
August 27, 2008 at 7:48 am
In reply humbly to interested in phoenix.
God sends me healing and some have been, I do not entertain or whatever that means, or denegrate any service that offers solace or some relief in today’s world of poverty of spirit.
To answer this wait for the results and the book ‘Ritual’ by Sutton Publishing who publish true crime when this is over, for it will be.
I have on a crucifix blessed by the late Pope and have knelt and washed feet at Amalfi and Pompeii. It is something I have done spiritually and physically that is to make my ego humble when I have to use what is hard earned qualificatications to make my point.
On the train last week, a Virgin train it was delayed, very much so. I and other passengers got upset. But most of all a pretty young girl and a mum affected me. She was going to Madrid of all places the day after the tragic plain accident to work on a yatcht for two weeks. The delayed train would not get her to Gatwick in time and she was in floods of tears.
An hour went by, no staff on the train as they walked off, but the tea and beverage lady to sit with us in the heat as time ticked by.
Then a Scottish lass came on as train staff. I said of our unrest and some were more vocally heated. I said I had to get to Oldham to see police.
However, I said do not help me, help her. She has a job in Madrid and is not going to meet the flight and is in floods of tears, help her.
To which as if God had sat there it started to happen.
Free tea and sandwiches announced allowed the hoards to come as in a sale at Harrods. But as they did so they did not notice this fine Scot sit and start on her Virgin phone talking to the airline and the train HQ and making the arrangemnents
All at once of me I held my heart and prayed, the girl still cried, her mother a simple Northerner who wore no fine jewellery or cloths, much like Winnie, a simple mother who had thought of golden opportunities of whatever form from the factory days of their and their grannies lifetimes.
The girls eyes started to shine as time ticked by and this embassador for Virgin took on the task with merit. The train was to make a stop at Watford especially and it was to be met by a taxi from Virgin,and paid for by Virgin, and this was all done as if time stood still.
If angels could clap and I have tears when I retell this as it is like Cinderella, so wait awhile as I brush the tears from my eyes for I fear God is crying too……………………
………………..
Thats better, I can see now.
The magic of this moment when the Virgin train lady stood up and said we have done it was so magical. She said ‘now what can I do for you’ and promptly sat next to me to get me the routes to Oldham. She had no pen as a customer had taken it.
Of all the things and of magic there in my bag I had a Virgin Atlantic First Class pen, and took out this precious item and delivered it to her. I said take this and thank you to all the staff and yourself for making this girl’s dream come true.
Hours later I was on the Moor with Mikey and we found
TWO headstones that marked two spots,
and I mean headstones,
not rocks but Ian’s own graveyard.
Now we wait, and so I share this not with a tabloid, not with a paper but with the world. Where it is we cannot say, but be assured God that day was with us and with this girl.
I want to relay as to my giftedness as well as scientific facets as I share with many others and Mikey brings out the best in me, as David Kirwan brings out the gladiator in me this.
MISSIONARIES OF CHARITY
54A Bose Road,Calcutta, 24th October 1998
Dear Pauline,
God loves you tenderly, He is close to you on your journey and He gives you strength to overcome the obstacles and difficulties.
Thank God for the beautiful desire He has put into your heart to help your brothers and sisters in need.
Keep your heart open to God’s inspiration and He will show you in which ways HE wants you to follow HIM. Please continue to pray for us that we may carry on the love and fidelity the beautiful work for the poorest of the poor that God entrusted to our Mother, Mother Theresa. Be assured of our prayers for you and your family.
Signed Sister Nirmala MC
That was before my accident and when I had worked with Roy Castle said on the train and at the charity that after his death I would come through the doors a scientist, a cancer scientist. Which is what I did in 2001. At the time I had a failing hotel as foot and mouth was taking the lives of farmers and the like in suicides as no food was to be had and times were very grim for all us landowners.
At the time I had lost my father to cancer having brought him here from Manchester. The 90′s were not good years for me or my family. But the Millenium changed all that. And that is another story.
So please pray again for Winnie, not for my diatribe or answers as to a real identity as I chose to include my real name and qualifications to use for Winnie and to support Winnie.
To believe one must in this world have either connections or qualifications, ask Andy who has not a job and sincerely wants one. That carries me on the Moor who is not afraid of eating bread and jam to cover the cost of petrol that he is using instead.
No tea to today for Andy.
Ask Mikey who cannot eat and is fading away as his fevered brow is coming to a high stress level in the frustration of waiting for the police to excavate the two headstones at specific features that are simply not to be explained away.
I have revealed this as God I feel has led me to this audience to see if He can touch a heart. We needed this weekend Eddie and Keela from South Yorkshire police and media friend of mine turned it down and instead wrote of Garry Glitter as more important he said.They could have purchased these dogs as they are for private hire it says by qualified persons.
As a scientist if I had had those dogs I could have determined with this privately paid asset what was in the locality as there are two markers so far.
At Ashworth and at Giovanni camp they have failed to get Ian to reply as to his handiwork. He is silent as a toad hibernating.
So we wait and pray for a result today, and tommorrow.
By weekend the crane of ours will go in.
We have full local and practical support should others fail us in what these ‘headstones’ mean.
For it is obvious they are just that.
August 27, 2008 at 7:50 am
It seems perhaps I am censored in my last post, that is OK, Perhaps there is a Godlike reason so please keep it that way?
August 27, 2008 at 8:43 am
My thanks to a psychic who has been humiliated and has been very useful and correct in what was taken wrongly in the past.
To explain, there are out there persons who have no regard to clandestine burial ethics who display on film the act of how to do so. It is macabre and it is not entertainment. The act of filming when a dog hits, or a spade is driven in and published on a website for the internet audience is not ethical, it is voyeurism. The man or woman behind the camera recording such acts has a warped mind. It why we do not go in when there are spectators around and why Silly Old Twit, bless him has us be nice to each other.
He blocked my IP last week till you all came out in support of the ‘evil spirit’ lurking here. Thank you Sily Old Twit, the Drambui is on me.
August 27, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Ian, I found the cat.
August 27, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I take that to imply good news!
August 28, 2008 at 8:28 am
Not yet, please wait.
Mr Brady knows what that means.
August 28, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Ian Brady has said to me that he did kill Keith, but not bury him and that Myra and a third party did. This came tonight via his spokesperson.
As a scientist I have neither the use of prosecution or defense so sciense speaks her own language which is not oratory or debatable. I am on no side
My team have found a cairn in a wall and yet no police have excavated after the empirical evidence given
So it is my view no funeral for Keith will ever happen unles someone respects science.
August 28, 2008 at 10:28 pm
No one and I repeat no one that receives a salary seems the slightes interested in fact.
It is known that there are people who use my qualifactions they do not have. So I use this site instead of paid tabloid or broadsheets for my own motivity is that science or subversive act to that membership.
No on is going to make me jump, try as they may. I sick as to the agenda in this case of those who orate and do not see/
Ian has said he did kill Keith but not bury him and some have found items on the Moors as bottles and such, but as Brady is the story teller can we believe him?
He has fooled all and Myra more so, and as such can we trust anything anyone has told us, I think not/
As an empirical scientist I am not force fed as to payroll, but Winnie must know this.
A marker was found and no police officer has inspected it and it is not excavated yet it is a cairn in a wall of eight tiles and is in the feature Ian said who now denies his burial duties. I am a grandmother and let down so please see I cannot find your son.
August 29, 2008 at 8:13 am
To silly old twit and the readers of this site, my final message and then I go to put All of Mikey and I’s work as to what it is like to get your hands dirty on the Moor and to see that real people cry, love, pray and use even their own bread and butter money to help find someone who was not even born then.
Yesterday I lay in bed and prayed to the Lord, now factually a lawyer would say that I cannot prove that the Lord was listening as there is no fact of that.
My priest who comforted me assured me there was. So I prayed and prayed and prayed for this woman to have kindness returned in the form she wanted.
Mikey on the Moor yesterday put his arms in a hole that he was terrified of due to spiders and I rang on the mobile and guided geologically his arms, his courage was immense. So there is a Higher Power that can be our shoulder in times like this, so I prayed for Mikey to do this as I was not there.
But due to the phone call I made to Giovanni who is the lawyer for Brady demanding answers, not asking due to the courage this man had shown I thought enough is enough.
Politely this man told me firmly that Ian Duncan Stewart Brady had a message for me, and that was
IAN KILLED KEITH.
BUT HE DID NOT BURY HIM,
MYRA AND …………………….
DID SO HE CANNOT HELP YOU.
Call terminated from Rome
So this will be taken up by media as this is the statement given late last night. If that is so there is and was no map and no route that is followed as Gospel to the features on Wessenden Head which correlate with the eagle headed rock on the Rimmon Pit route, there is no chance now of finding Keith at all is there?
There is no new story, and no game now for Ian, or is there?
Are we so near Ian cannot tell what is a cat,sheep or other that we have uncovered and dismissed so far on the Moor.
Can he explain the cairns he made and the features he said he wanted to see that all have markers of the authorities by, and some have cognitively his own.
I know they are his own mentality and logic to this place and to his need to pace like A tiger in a cage.
But the stories and fiction are over, the wall and the features will become another Peru and in time maybe there will be in hundreds of years a grave found, or graves.
Scientific fact is that a cancer cell can be seen as concave or elliptical or both and imaging it from my degree courses and treatment planning software to determine its complex shapes using university programmes in physics produced a shape that is not up for dispute, it is what it is.
It is unarguable, it is there.
It is scientific fact.
Only when you come to see something that minute can you start to see life as more than words that are manipulated for monetory gain, subversion or prestige, or some other reason.
I go now for good.
Ian Brady has not won, nor has he been a challenge,
science has,
and using other persons logic and mentality is also an ethnographic principle of participant observation as all researchers know.
The first thing looking at the terrible fire on the screen at the mansion is where are the basement servant quarters of such a house and back stairs.
But on where Keith Bennett rests I now doubt if he is on the Moors at all, or as Philpin says of another case in a grave in a churchyard yards from Myra’s home.
But who knows.
Ian has said he killed so must have walked away after, make what you will of what is told me and media can too.
Ian is saying he was not taken or shown where Keith was is he not factually?
August 29, 2008 at 2:01 pm
i sit here smiling knowing u all know my fear of spiders,neva trust anything with 8 legs n teeth lol..please oh please keep heart pauline…if he was in a cave full ov tarantulas i would (after screaming)run str8 in there..we are so close to this i feel many are knowing ov this,i av a feeling of an ending being so near..when a player is looking like the cards av to be thrown in,do they not go for a bluff..the last chance to make ur player think you av more in ur deck than u want them to think,i dont play games so i neva need to bluff.
my words to ian stewart brady are plz stop playing now,to you u av what u desired..ur passion to be like the krays was reached..u av immortalised urself as u wanted to do..now do something myra never did…tell the truth…then u will immortalise urself even more..
myras map in 2001/2 not to sure on the year was a lie,she had no intentions of eva giving away the spot,yet they ALL believed her…
as i said earlier i aint stopping till keith is where his mum wants him..i and pauline know we are so close and many others are feeling that to..just the needing ov 1 person to say “lets go for it”is all i am waiting for but for now im still doing,still searching and wont give up…
well im off to blackpool now to watch the krankies and cannon and ball “best of british”..lets hope we all one day say that all involved in finding keith are part of what makes Britain GREAT…
August 29, 2008 at 4:30 pm
since my recent dabbling with this site I thought against my better judgement that I must read Staff’s ‘Lost Boy’ book on a recent holiday (slightly unsual holiday reading maybe).
There wasnt much in it that I didnt already know but for a ‘student’ of this case it’s the new and seeminingly trivial and little things that it revealed that made it a worthwhile read.
Staff implies that due to Myra’s selfish intransigence and her bid for freedom against all else she took her secret of Kieth’s grave to her own. Brady will never give up his knowledge and it is obviously the only thing that this sick f*ck draws strength from. He will never play ball as he is a sadist through and through.
Myra was worse than Brady in many ways and she proved herself to be the more psychically resiliant or psychopathic actually. Brady was the extreme and total sadist but Myra was the charmer who lacked affect and was most able to delude herself that she was a victim. Before 1987 and her confession re Kieth and Pauline Read she had kept up her lies and only spilt the beans to pre-empt Brady’s confesion-this we know.
Anyway the Staff book made me realise that on a forensic note and based on what Prof John Hunter said about the peat rolling off the moor like a duvet from a bed means that it may have moved up to 20 metres over 40 years.
On that basis it seems possible to me that if Kieth was buried only inches from the surface then with the movement of the peat he may now be effectively buried under rocks which would make it virtually impossible to find him. Its only a thought and the police should make a proper commitment to helping the Bennett family.
I do know that the police have never had a focus on helping vicitms in cases like this and their role is to deter and detect and so they (the remaining officers on this case that had never closed) were delghted that Hindley died behind bars. The role of the police needs to change so that are compelled to help retrieve bodies in cases like this.
They have an army of police volunteers and other auxillories who could help in this labour intensive operation.
I hope Brady continues to suffer for every day that Kieth is not found AND that he lives to see the day that Kieth is found without his help. This to a sadist like Brady would be his ultimate punishment and complete loss of power that this sicko clings on to.
Oh and Pauline- you keep saying (see also Janus page) that Ian has “no epistemic community” and that he has “no academic qualifications” and correct me if I’m wrong but this suggests that if he had a PhD, then he would somehow be a better person or more worthy of respect? I beg to differ with this. You know a lot of senior SS personal in the Third Reich were men (and a few women) who held doctorates in fact there were statistically more PhDs in the higher SS/Gestapo than in any other organs of the state. A lot of these academics also got their hands dirty in the notorious killing squads of the east (eintazgruppen). To me this merely shows an assiduous amorality amongst psychopathic types.
I think in fact if Brady like say Fred West was a low IQ illiterate type with a congenital lack of morality then maybe we would revile him a bit less than we do.
Brady argues that he and Hindley were merely performing an existensial exercise-which is such a pretentious bullshit and typical thing for him to say. I would revile him a bit less than I do if if ever stops with his 6th Form cringeworthy juvinalia and comes out and admits that he is a sadist and is proud of it.
After all he has always argued that morality is for the common herd and so why does he never to admit to the sadism exhorted by his ‘literary’ heros like De Sade?? Instead he talks bollocks of moral relativism which reduces some of its sound philosophical principles to the utmost crassness.
Brady the poster-boy for moral relativism….
I think really he isnt up to and never was up to his ambition of being a really evil and cruel rebel of society’s norms and values. Also he is simply too thick to make a case for his own disgusting and totally negative world view.
Has anyone ever told him sadists are actually very weak, pathetic sad little people?
Anyway my two-penn’th now said I leave the stage for another speaker…
August 29, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Pauline and Micky:
The one KNOWN TRUTH: Ian Brady and Myra Hindley are BOTH LIARS.
A new story… evil morph. This is a soul twisted in sickness and insanity- and maliciousness (Encarta Dictionary: “deliberately harmful: motivated by or resulting from a desire to cause harm or pain to another”). He likes seeing begging. He likes seeing pain.
I do not believe for an Olympic split second that Brady was not present at the burial of Keith. I agree with Micky that Brady is bluffing. Maybe he remembers, or maybe he is too far gone to remember exactly where Keith is- whatever. It does not matter, because I feel Brady is never going to be of any real help- at least not the way one might expect.
What I mean by that is, Pauline, you said: “To see the parasite and where he puts his victim, you have to sit in poo, do you not Mickey and see from another angle?” I take this latest reaction from Brady via Giovanni to mean that you are getting mighty close- way too close for his comfort.
Those that went before Keith were on the moors, as were those (or those intended) after him. So please keep faith, and as you say, Micky: “please keep heart”. Don’t be discouraged. You are close. It takes a little time to bring the necessary help around. Have faith that it will happen. Do not place this as a burden on your shoulders, and please take care of yourselves.
I, too, am afraid of spiders, a condition shared with Micky… and with Brady. Smith had witnessed his extreme fear on at least one occasion. Remember when Topping pressed Smith for a way to get Brady to talk, and he said somewhat jokingly: “Just put him in a room full of spiders!”?
Well, of course, we are too humane, as we should be.
August 29, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Karlo:
Once again I am in agreement. Also, I was intending to ask you your take on Myra. Any other thoughts?
What you say in the following is VERY IMPORTANT: “… the police should make a proper commitment to helping the Bennett family… The role of the police needs to change so that they are compelled to help retrieve bodies in cases like this… They have an army of police volunteers and other auxillories who could help in this labour intensive operation.”
There is just no excuse for the police. They are disgraceful. Others are doing their work, and they are not responding appropriately. Look at Pauline, who has put her own hard-earned money into finding little Keith for Winnie.
Who out there is listening? Who has the power to pull strings? Who can rattle a few cages?
Being an advocate for victims, do you have any connections?
August 29, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Oh, and Mr. Brady, THERE IS a spider coming your way.
August 29, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Karl.
To end this and say to Karl, as I said I would be going into a haven of Light with my Sisters to repair as Catholic sanctuary for a while I am replying.
Faith has never let me down, and I am holding onto that faith and the well wishes from you all here, some reading and some replying.
To Karl, not the attendance of vocational mind in whatever field as to intelligence is not of merit forensically. I sat and listened to the silence, felt it and heard it, as a naked stream of nothing, no birds flew or sang. This was on Bergan Belsen in Germany. Having lived there for many years and in many places in Holland, Belgium and the Rhine, I am part European which accounts for my Platte Deutch as it were.
But yes, the legacy of those who use forensically any status to commit acts of harm on another are as Karl said the acts of a coward. So in reply I was stating that the entity called Brady is taking in The Gates of J ANUS the joke to far in what he is and has and again your illustration of this in the Third Reich is of merit.
He could have taken exams and got the Criminology degree, but no where is there recorded he did so. But does it matter? Brady is in the press sayiing he does not get paid an allowance like the rest. But why should he and what might be use it for, more letters to Winnie to taunt and to gloat.
The SPIDER has legs that grow, a cancer cell has the rush for air to grow more ‘legs’ as the hidden spider, and mould as spores has also these tentacles that pull as the Sandman does into dreams or nightmares.
Yes, I am with rosary to stave off any negative and vile thoughts put into our atmosphere at the moment. Thank you Karl and interested in Phoenix for the moral support.
Let me say I have every faith that the officers I know will do the very best in the way they do things with all the new information given this past week. I have every faith they will deliver. Mikey I know WILL deliver as he is committed, focused and not emotionally robbed as I have been these seven years.
August 29, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Interested in Pheonix,
no unfortunately I have no power at all re the top Brass at the police and the Kieth case. We simply need a change in law about the role of the police. I have studied criminal justice to MA level and I know that there has been a genesis influenced by victimology and a reshifting in legislation and discourse towards victims rights away from ‘understanding and rehabilitating offenders’.
The victim centred approach is politically very popular and I can see in the not too distant future a new Police Act which gives victims a loader voice in policing matters.
Hopefully though the new Chief Constable of Greater Manchester will be more enlightend than the last and will assist in the dig, although this is fairly unlikely.
Also you ask my opinion of Myra and professionaly my expertise is crime mapping through GIS and I have had some geographical offender profiling training -and I can boast about being a member of a certain international academy of forensic psychology, my views of Myra though are only those of an armchair commentator albeit one that has read all the Moors books and has work/research/experience of offenders and geographic profiling though not it must be said direct expereince with serial killers.
From what I’ve researched in the literature not all sadists are psychopaths and vice-versa. I think Hindley demonstrated more pyschopathic characteristics than did Brady according to Cleckley’s (1976) checklist, namely:
1, superficial charm and good intelligence
2, absence of delusional thinking and other irrational behavoural problems.
3,lack of remorse or shame
4,untruthfulness and insincerity
5, absence of nervousness and other psychoneurotic symptoms.
It is known that she was more manipulative and much more socially polished than Brady and I think she was more resiliant and probably had no real guilt problems. Besides suffering depression only for her own selfish reasons due to her lack of liberty etc she maintained generally good mental health. A relative of one of the victims and I’m afraid I forget who said “at least Brady had the decency to go mad in prison”.
Hindley had many lovers inside and supporters from the great and the good and this is something I do not understand. However, understand it I may not but it does bear testement to Hindley’s manipulative charm.
She was a cause celebre of the liberal elite and maybe its a residual sexism on my behalf but the fact she was a woman and perverted maternalism and all that, means that she was much more rotten than Brady. Male paodophiles and rapists and other similar sadistic sickos are relatively ten a penny but statistically women who harm and murder children are extremely rare to say the least.
As Ann West said “it was Hindley’s voice on the (Lesley Ann) tape not Brady’s”. This tape was the smoking gun for Hindley as with the other murders she was convieniantly (according to her)in another room or over the brow of a hill.
I don’t think we will ever know the real nature of her role in the murders but it obviously wasnt as passive as she said. She made a comment (forget the source) shortly after Edward Evans was butchered that she became aroused by the look of extreme fear in the boys eyes as Brady’s axe crashed down on his head.
That said I very much doubt she would have gone on to kill had she not had that fatefull Millwards meeting with Brady. I am certain though that Brady WOULD have gone to kill and probably alone and maybe without a woman to do the luring he would have targetted prostitutes rather than children.
She was a pyschopath more so than Brady although Brady was more the sexual sadist is my stab at labelling the two.
Had she not met him I think she would have been promiscuous and maybe risen to be head of a typing pool and would have been viewed as a total hard bitch by her subordinates. I doubt she would have become educated which ironically is what her Brady association and subsequent incarcaration did for her.
Had she not met Brady she would have remained a Gorton primitive hardnosed cow and would have sought and abused power in many disgusting ways.
Strangely or paradoxically she benefitted so much more than Brady by the crimes and her subsequent ‘stardom’ and her many lovers and celeberaty fans and her Open University degree and reading of highbrow books and her eventual worldliness etc .Although she proved herself fanatical and ruthless in her bid for freedom I wonder would she have ever switched a button which would have majicked away ever meeting Ian.
Her profile is what was her making and what gave her ‘Myra Hindleyness’ as it were, and I really think there were times that she wallowed in this. Being a woman was a two sided coin in that it gave the tabloids amunition to spread hatred AND it gave her a fanbase of naive liberals and femminists who viewd her as victim and political prisoner.
In contrast Brady had none of the things Myra had in prison and I think there is evidence that he has suffered at least although this level of suffering I doubt is on the scale that it should be.
So Interested in Phoenix what’s your take on Hindley or the dynamics between the two??
August 30, 2008 at 12:34 am
Pauline:
I am not surprised that you are feeling emotionally and physically drained. Please take this burden off your shoulders and rest well.
We all have faith in Micky, bless his strong, kind soul!
I am glad to hear you have faith in the officers you know to do their very best. And if any of them are police- after the critical comments I just made about them, I would never be so happy as to be so wrong!
You are a part of Mounsey’s legacy and do him proud.
August 30, 2008 at 2:19 am
thank you for the words of kindness,to see words of us all encouraging each other really makes a big difference.we all av our own views and i read them all as they are often written from the heart,and carry ur very own meanings and contributions to this page..although i av not been as long as many on this case i av been blessed with meeting many new friends wether typed words,emails and even meeting face to face,i appreciate evrything given by evrybody..
again i stress one person will read wat we write and will av the courage to say “lets do it” this is soon coming,it may be even now they are toiling with wat they av to do and THEY know it..
August 30, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Mikey, this is your doing, no one elses, you enabled an old lady to help another old lady. The stage is yours.
My coming in is to credit where credit is due.
Ian Brady has confirmed to me that he is afraid of the DNA when Keith is found, and my his abstention when he said to Sky on the 27th of June he could pinpoint means to me the cairn as we knew is his from our massive, massive work behind the scenes.
August 30, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Read what he says to me above.
August 30, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Do the police have copies of all the photos Brady and Hindley had in their possession at the time of their arrest? Police eventually returned photos to Myra’s mother, and I read in more than one account that Myra badgered her mother for a long time to send five of the photos to Brady- and her mother did send them to him eventually. Do the police have copies of those five photos, and do they know which ones they are? Wouldn’t a *cetain person* have Myra’s original letters to her mother identifying which photos she wanted her to send to Brady? Five victims, five photos, five markers.
August 30, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Hi Phoenix,
don’t know if you read my Myra ‘theorum’ in response to your request as to my take on Hindley? (Sent last night as above)
I would still like to know your ideas on her and the dynamics etc.
On a general point it seems that this page which started as a generalist Brady/Hindley forum has now become a dialogue for ‘psychic’ types and the amateur quest to find Kieth’s remains. Its quite laudable but its not the disspasionate debate for those interested in the case as it started out under the auspices of the old twit.
Am I the only one who reads this page who feels this way?? If I am maybe I should just ‘butt out’!!!
August 30, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Karlo:
Yes, I did read your take on Myra and think it is so good!
It’s just that I have not had the time to organize my thoughts on her in response. We have a three day weekend holiday here in the States called Labor Day, which falls every year on the first Monday of September, and we are busy for a few days with plans with what family members we have here in Phoenix.
As for this page of Twit’s, I think it is a bit of all things. But I do not discount the contributions of psychics. Traditional science alone has not brought results in finding little Keith in all these years. I think there is much work, as Pauline alludes to, that has gone on which we do not know about. I have faith and a sense of knowing that it will all pull together, that the time is now.
August 30, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Ok thanks Pheonix and all readers,
Fair point and enjoy the labor festivities. Maybe you are right that non-scientific methods must be tried but I am aware of only the tip of an iceberg of scientific instruments/gizmos that should be able to narrow the search and if maybe more academics from the world forensic archeology community got together and the police would only free up and help fund a dig around the Shiny Brook/Hoe Grain confluence then I think this will be the best chance.
With all due respect to psychic/sensitive people out there like Micky who I am sure have the best intentions but I find it hard to accept that this approach will show any success.
I do hope I will be proved wrong, although I know this is not a competition but any way at all that little Kieth can be found whilst Winnie is still around will be great.
Anyway Pheonix enjoy and keep keeping it together.
August 31, 2008 at 1:46 am
a map drawn by a woman who took 20 years to admit killing 2 other children then decides to draw a map before she dies is not worth the paper its drawn on.pauline was only found because she had been placed near 2 other children..because keith is in another area she knew he would never be found and used this as her key for the release she never would av had…so why use valuable police time and resources to search an area she knows he is not placed in…the finding ov a cairn in a stone wall which is a scottish burial technique and the fact ian stewart brady is scottish i feel speaks for itself..unless the wall builders of that time had scottish ancestry then the cairn should not be there..my sensitive side is wat makes me who i am and i av no shame in showing that side..and karlo please dont take this the wrong way but i know u will be proved wrong…i enjoy reading ur contributions and feel from wat u write u will go a long way
August 31, 2008 at 6:08 am
To Karlo, the police have had for forensic archaeologists on and amateur diggers, look at YOUTUBE for proof of manical digging and dogs who should not be there.The Lord blessed the Moor where thousands of years and hundreds of years have spelt, death, disaster, murder and maasacre on this very stretch, not on Wessenden Head. Research and research not in the books written but in Scotland empirically and on matters of geology, industrial archaeology, history, technology and of connections and correlations which enter the mindset of both Hindley and Brady to take them to this place.
But I am not going to disclose why factually this is connected, where x is and the ‘cyst’ migbt be, or the design unique to Brady, nor the facets in the stone, nore is Mikey.
Police said and we stay by it, tell no one, and those who know cannot reveal where x is. Due to what is said and relayed back to me I come out of my prayer retreat to come out for God.. A priest Blessed the Moors and there is now peace.
The research is not from the books most read on THIS case but are specific, and even some argue against those expert authors as to who did what, and when, but the police have that empirical evidence to connect Brady with this location.
Do not forget DNA in a wall cavity untouched will remain, as will what is under the wall, and in its environs. This is scientific fact, do not look for something in a haystack, look logically where that lost object will be as was done in Shasta Groene, one of just many.
Yes, to interested in Phoenix, there are two visual markers but we decided that we had seen, felt, and checked the validity of the cairn in the wall-
a chance of which seeing it is a million to one over the whole transect he wants you to roam.
It is not even visible unless you have the same knowledge of what she is.
It is not only that it is that the location fits all and more of his features and he knows it – it fits and how we sandwich him into this place empirically.
But do not please start arguing on at trifles as Ian had someone test his case for a petition and the intro silly old twit decided to put was mine.
It is a debate that is organic as we did not know when he tested the market for this man to be taken to a prison instead of where he is now we would meet up and would be encouraged and find evidence that is practical and not theoretical that cannot be dismissed.
Winnie will want to see this place if her son is not found, the other location is unsound now due to the sheep find and always would be. It is a red herring.
But if you knew from actual trials at midnight on the whole route recorded you would know some things are possible and some possible, and if you knew exactly by geological science where the exact burial places were you would see a definate pattern, plus the mind of one taking over the other.
But that is as near I go.
Please pray or do what you will positively as there are enough doom mongers and those who are in a race at all costs who have failed for twenty odd years of randon and systematic invasive digging to find one clue to where Brady put Keith. Or his markers.
God is being challenged here as the very thought of when a child is to be found is abhorrent to some if prayer is used. God has shown in many ways the time is now.
It is time.
Sunday is my day of prayer, please find it in your hearts to pray in any way or move your heart in ways of love, hope and unity.
August 31, 2008 at 11:47 am
Karlo I am pleased you do not discount psychic`s or mediums, I have been working with Micky on this quest to find little Kieth. I live quite away from the moors and was able to give Micky valueable information by a psychic drawing which I gave to Micky which put him in the right area to find Kieth. for Ian lightening never strikes twice so the saying goes, and the hanged man will tell his tale. Also i have done a few more drawing which with Micky research backs up the area for where lttle Kieth is its just a question of time before he can come home and be reunited with his mother
August 31, 2008 at 3:12 pm
David Kirwan has the files on how this was discovered scientifically. Mikey was and is the most intuitive student there is in science, a natural in fact. I saw no drawings or evidence that the place where the cairn is is drawn by any medium. But wish you well.\
At this time do not give indications to Ian Brady.
Brady is a meticulous person and one who believes in fine detail.
No one showed me a map or any drawing and one five years early does show some features but not x marks the spot.
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Mikey is a rare student who understands geology, and all the other disciplines and we were destined to meet as we were destined to be put together. So please hold off making this a psychic site as it is not.
It is Ian Brady’s site is it not ‘silly old twit’.
August 31, 2008 at 5:27 pm
I repeat with Mikey on the Moor at all times he did not resort to any maps from anyone.He went on at his own pace and we covered miles and miles, and this was catalogued and sent to police. It did not include any markers or locations in our data and research that indicated Keith. It was a chance and God like find. It was not ever mentioned as to features and where to find them and how.
September 1, 2008 at 7:23 am
Please let police from the factual photographs I took and then relayed on the location which did not present itself by any divine or psychic vision from anyone past or present the location do their utmost to ensure that the transect and features displayed are ethically investigated. We are united and will not be broken in this footsteps of challenge and endurance.
That means that we must be patient, ethical and above all sensible, that if we do not Mr Brady who has none of these qualities sadly will be laughing at those who try ‘split or steel’.
There are some very warm and wonderful characters in this story and some that are not. But until more evidence comes to light then what is under the two markers is up to God if you like.
For forty four years he has been silent, or maybe we have been unable to listen, maybe the spade had no voice of its own?
I go now and have trust that the decisions some make are for reasons unknown, mine for seven years has been to be a constant ‘ant’ in the pants to Ian as is told me; and to the police as well due to my spinal injury and fall from a train door when stopped driving and lost confidence as the fear of pain, not death enveloped me and still does.
It is better now and when I share this dream I share it as hope.
When going to the operatiing theatre the surgeon said you might be paralysed after. I had to be sat up I am told to be operated on at the C5/6 location and fortunately as a former hotelier and hotel inspector I was in a scheme of private health insurance that we could afford.
So days later after an MRI scan was when my books on industrial archaeology and building design in antiquity and modern times were set by my bed.
During the time of waiting in great pain I said to the neurosurgeon by me.
‘how wide are two packed camels to pass in a street’ as he was from this location. We laughed, the staff laughed.
The book said of Mohammed, and his making the streets that wide in the book of how Muslim cities were made. Humble apologies if mispelt. But the images of camels fully packed and houses back to back in a city was the question of design of cities and contrasts to the calling towers in antiquity with modern day design.
This vision and question stayed on my mind down to the depths of the swirl of unconscious till my return.
The books on return were placed in my ward after ICU.
I was consumed with this historical vision of the camels and their passing that pain passed, and I did the exam in the hospital and sent it off as part of my honours degree then with The Open University and passed in the year 2000.
Foot and mouth dessimated trade in the years before and many farmers took their own lives and lost centuries of years of land and labour during this terrible time and we lived and witnessed it,shared it. Yet that was another pain of loosing more sharp than any physical pain.
The reason for sharing it is to show that lifelong learning allowed pain to be sent to the back for a time and the thought of life in a wheel chair not the end if it was but a beginning.
Then I thought after surviving the many disasters to put something back on the wheel and so each time the Lord has called I have been up there for Him. So my exams are my depression button answer, my button to each day of whatever chucks at me and responsibilities taken on.
Due to my slum kid status then in 1963 I watched kids go to university in fine warm cloths, food in their bellies; and only saw the double decker bus photo of Lesley Anne Downey from the same milk bar in Piccadilly that Eddie Evans used to go with the apprentices of AEI in Trafford Park, now part of the vast shopping centre. I was to enlist the winter when he died.
From going into the Royal Air Force at 17 as a stewardess in 1966 I did not go back, or want to, the escape to a uniform and belonging like most slum kids then all over Britain was one where rich and poor also attested as one unit, one proud disciplined unit of learning and acceptance. I am still proud of that day and my children followed as my father, mother and my grandparents did in both services.
That was and is my greatest learning of how to survive and inspect as in the ‘field’. How to learn on your feet as in a mind of quiet learning and alertness. It took a long time for me to go to a range of universities, colleges and centres of readership never seeing the end to a goal, over 23 years in fact after leaving school.
That goal remains with me and some share, some steal. But if just one person follows a dream, then today of all days is the day to follow that dream
Today is the day the black 36 point font screamed ‘ diana is dead’. I was in a hotel not far from Winnie waiting for a airline friend to fly in.
A sombre breakfast and a silence loomed all around as if birds had stopped living, and life had stood still. But look now, look at her sons. They are proudly following a dream. We can all follow a dream and share someone’s joy and sadness.
Any dream will do.
September 1, 2008 at 5:11 pm
To the webmaster.
I WANT REMOVED ALL POSTS BY MYSELF SINCE 2007.
This is not the right place for me to be. Brady has made his point, and he will know what I mean as will others.
So that is it. I want no one to say they act for me in any way shape or form. I do not condone doing something that is out of my depth and competances, and I do pay all those who take me places money and food due to my own inability to drive. This message will also be erased please.
But now is the time to let go. Now is the time I feel sick at the actions of some others.
If all my messages are not off in twenty four hours I shall take action to have them erased.
September 2, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Charlatons will be found out and murderers too.
No person that is gifted would claim to be so if they were not yet evidence suggests they do. I see the fraud squad coming in or worse.
September 2, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Karlo:
In response to your comments on Myra, which I thought were very good, I don’t have much to add that hasn’t already been said by you and Pauline and others. Also, unlike you and Pauline, I have no professional qualifications.
I came at this case sort of backwards. That is, I read Staff’s book first (last year) and only read all the others recently. Staff certainly made it clear that Myra was manipulative, but after reading in particular Harrison, Ritchie, and Topping, her narcissistic, callous, and manipulative behavior seemed even more obvious and extreme.
I believe Myra was every bit as involved in the planning, killing, and disposal of these poor little children as Brady. I believe she was absolutely as cruel and perverted and sadistic as he.
I also have read recently “An Evil Love” about Fred and Rosemary West and find similarities between that very sick and twisted couple and Hindley and Brady- one being the pupil (Rosemary/Myra), once indoctrinated, escalates the atrocities and in some aspects overtakes the master (Fred/Ian).
Rosemary West experienced in childhood extreme emotional and physical violence within the family. Her alcoholic father beat her mother and brothers on an almost daily basis. As a young girl Rosemary succumbed to an incestuous relationship with him in order to escape his rage. She became promiscuous with older men at an early age. Fred brought expression to her inner rage and skewed sexuality and later commented that she surpassed him in cruelty and sadism.
Myra too experienced extreme physical violence in the home during childhood. Her alcoholic father beat her mother regularly. Myra was also a target for his rage. Instead of protecting her, he taught her how to fight and be a street bully. Her mother seemed to offer no protection. She no doubt felt a sense of abandonment when she was sent to live with her grandmother, who by several accounts spoiled her and gave into her tantrum-throwing behavior. Myra learned how to rage and manipulate and bully at an early age. She also showed sadistic tendencies as a youth, as Pauline has mentioned, in her prolonged Judo holds.
I have read that when a person has experienced emotional and physical violence in childhood, she will seek out that drama later on in a partner. So it is not surprising to me that Myra obsessed over and fixated on Brady- her need to get his “special” attention (for almost a year he ignored her) and win him over- and once conquered by each other, not only join him in his various perversions, but actually impel him to action.
Once in custody Fred West told many different stories and different versions of those stories about his crimes- like Ian. Rosemary West begged ignorance and innocence, refused to talk, and blamed Fred, that he had made her do things, etc.- like Myra. When Rosemary turned on Fred, he abandoned his stance of protecting her and started implicating her- like Ian.
Below I have copied and pasted a description and symptoms for both men and women of Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD). It is interesting, as noted below, that men with similar symptoms are often diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder. I find it rather ironic that Brady called Myra “an hysteric” (I took this from the Longford film), because he seems to exhibit many of the male symptoms for that disorder, such as:
• Disturbed relationships and lack of impulse control.
• Antisocial tendencies
• Emotionally immature (although they tend to believe the exact opposite)
• Shallow (although they tend to believe their feelings are so deep that no other single person could ever understand).
• Introspective and create a false sense of reality, effectively convincing themselves of whatever they need to believe in order to remain emotionally unattached from anything or anyone
• May require isolated retreats in order to obtain a comfortable level of understanding and acceptable functioning.
• Paranoia (real and imagined) may eventually lead to a near complete and permanent disposal of all interpersonal relationships at a given time, effectively eliminating any emotional responsibility and accountability.
• May believe including the belief that there are many hidden messages and notions in public works that are specifically meant for them.
• When HPD antisocial males believe they are being manipulated, they may morph into sociopathic relations with their perceived enemies, yet remain overtly loyal to perceived friends.
• Engage in disinhibited behavior, such as promiscuity and substance abuse
The following is copied and pasted from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
“Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval and inappropriate seductiveness, usually beginning in early adulthood.
The essential feature of histrionic personality disorder is an excessive pattern of emotionality and attention-seeking behavior. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately sexually provocative, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others.
The symptoms include:
• Constant seeking of reassurance or approval.
• Excessive dramatics with exaggerated displays of emotions.
• Excessive sensitivity to criticism or disapproval.
• Inappropriately seductive appearance or behavior.
• Excessive concern with physical appearance.
• A need to be the center of attention (self-centeredness).
• Low tolerance for frustration or delayed gratification.
• Rapidly shifting emotional states that may appear shallow to others.
• Opinions are easily influenced by other people, but difficult to back up with details.
• Tendency to believe that relationships are more intimate than they actually are.
• Making rash decisions.
In females:
Women with HPD are described as self-centered, self-indulgent, and intensely dependent on others. They are emotionally labile and cling to others in the context of immature relationships. As well, they over-identify with others; they project their own unrealistic, fantasized intentions onto people with whom they are involved. They are emotionally shallow to avoid distress and have difficulty understanding themselves or others in any depth. Selection of marital or sexual partners is often highly inappropriate. The majority of the time their partners will have symptoms of personality disorders, equal to, or far worse than their own. Women with HPD often tend to enter into abusive relationships with partners who increase the abuse as time wears on. Pathology increases with the level of intimacy in relationships, which is exactly the same for males. Women may show inappropriate and intense anger masking their internal battle between the quest for intimacy and avoiding pathology. Women with borderline tendencies often form entirely negative convictions towards the male gender and treat them like pawns as a defense mechanism concealing their own inadequacies. They may engage in self-mutilation and/or manipulative suicide threats as one aspect of general manipulative interpersonal behavior.[2]
In males:
Males with HPD usually present problems of identity crisis, disturbed relationships, and lack of impulse control. They have antisocial tendencies and are inclined to exploit physical symptoms as a method of false control. These men are emotionally immature (although they tend to believe the exact opposite), dramatic (although many are adept at covering it up), and shallow (although they tend to believe their feelings are so deep that no other single person could ever understand). Men with HPD tend to be very introspective and create a false sense of reality, effectively convincing themselves of whatever they need to believe in order to remain emotionally unattached from anything or anyone. HPD males with antisocial tendencies shift between periods of isolation and those of extreme social conquest (each shift can last a matter of days to periods lasting several years). They may require isolated retreats in order to obtain a comfortable level of understanding and acceptable functioning. HPD antisocial males are dependent upon no one in particular, but crave the dependence of others. Although males often have chameleon-like social skills (similar to HPD females), they tend to have trouble keeping lengthy friendships afloat as their paranoia (real and imagined) may eventually lead to a near complete and permanent disposal of all interpersonal relationships at a given time, effectively eliminating any emotional responsibility and accountability. They tend to genuinely search for intimacy (many believe in “the one”) while remaining unable to regulate their perceived level of intimacy for any given interpersonal relationship, making it very difficult to build anything other than turbulent relations. Males with HPD may believe in the supernatural, such as fortune telling or telepathy, including the belief that there are many hidden messages and notions in public works that are specifically meant for them. When HPD antisocial males believe they are being manipulated, they may morph into sociopathic relations with their perceived enemies, yet remain overtly loyal to perceived friends. HPD men are oftentimes intensely driven by their quest to conquer life, despite having no real sense of direction or control, resulting in frequent changes of overly passionate interests. [2] Both men and women with HPD engage in disinhibited behavior, such as promiscuity and substance abuse.[3]
Cause:
The cause of this disorder is unknown, but childhood events such as deaths in the immediate family and genetics may both be involved. Histrionic Personality Disorder is more often diagnosed in woman than men; men with some quite similar symptoms are often diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder.”
September 2, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Pauline: I don’t know what you have posted here in Twit’s pages that would cause you to want to remove them. Certainly you have revealed no information that would harm the ongoing investigation. I am sorry you are so plagued with false and fraudulent people. I know you have mentioned that it has been a problem in the past and, from what you are saying, continues still. Also, since you have been so much a part of the search for little Keith, you are bound to be a target for people who try to rattle and discredit you. I am so sorry for all the trouble people try to cause you. I hope you will not go away!
September 2, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Pheonix,
second attempt as Im a bit drunk tonight and please never put yourself down mein gut freund. You are every bit as qualified as the rest of us. I dont want to hear your comments in this regard again-OK!!
Ive not long returned from Germany a country I love and have been about 6 times already this year on business and for holiday.
I want to ask Brady that for all his supposed love of der Vaterland he is full of shit.
I think Germany is the very apotheosis of a civil society and Nazism was an abberation and the stupid contradiction of Brady’s idea of ‘going aginst the herd’ is actually the language of barbarism and the jungle.
I know this sounds racist but I think that northern europe is the most civilsed geo-region and the nordic people are the most highly evolved.
Germany is a highly social country where the people truely appreciate what is bigger than themselves.
I’m afraid Africa needs to catch up on this as there has never been a truely domocratic African state and its leaders are and have been repulsive and primitive gangsters. This maybe smacks of racism but I only say it to illustrate how Brady’s Nazi arguments are so flawed as Brady was an example of a perfect egoist and in any case would have been shot or gassed in the 3rd Reich.
I respect America my friend Pheoinx but it is a far way off from being a modern and civilised place and I hope you dont take offence??
I have been to the states a few times and met a lot of good left leaning people who loath the status quo.
In short Brady should have got the electtic chair but then we would only become as low and primitive as him I suppose.
I absolutley hate Brady and if he didnt exist I guess we would have to create him as he is a goos channel to vent out our hatred of his kind.
Prost and guten nacht.
Karl
September 3, 2008 at 9:46 am
Man used to live by his intuition. He had to know where to find food, water, shelter and read the weather in order to survive. This is following your intuition. People have forgotten how to do this, as its all done for us now. My belief is having a ‘gift’ as people call it is simply going back to following our intuition, our gut feeling following our noses and sensing we are right with what we percieve.
There are charlatons out there granted, who charge money for stabbing in the dark and second guessing, i have come across a few in my time.
My personal lbelief is that everything has its place, and i do not see why science and intuition cant work together. Is that not how alot of police work is done, by following ‘hunches’ and gut feelings.
September 3, 2008 at 10:00 am
I hit submit by accident!
The best detectives work on putting a jigsaw together, filling in gaps, often found by using their own savvy, and the scientific evidence found, an undisputed case can be put together.
These things can and do work hand in hand. This lttle boy needs bringing home, by whatever method possible to those searching, be it science or instinct.
September 3, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Karlo…
Of what I am about to write, please do NOT take offence…it is neither meant to come across as agressive nor accusatory…but how, in all honesty can you say that you HATE Ian Brady?
I presume that you do not know him personally, or are in any way associated with the families or friends of those children so violently taken from this world…so therefore it would not be a hatered from that intimate standpoint…
would it not be that you HATE his actions?
I don’t say this to nitpick, rather it is of interest to me the way different people feel on the matter…
September 3, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Teresa:
Well said, and I agree. It takes more than the pieces of the puzzle- it takes someone CAPABLE of putting it all together. As to the police, is there someone in charge who is UP TO THE TASK?
What is going on with the police there? Are they disillusioned by all the frauds and charlatans and using that as an excuse for non-performance? Do they lack manpower? Do they lack funds?
Perhaps the families of Myra’s former wealthy supporters would like to make amends and pony up! At the least, they should be putting non-stop political pressure to bear.
It would seem to me that finding Keith would go a long way in restoring the public confidence in the police. When are they going to learn that the quest for little Keith is not going to go away? Maintaining the status quo makes them look incompetent and uncaring.
I do believe the time for all to come together is NOW!
September 3, 2008 at 6:55 pm
So Brady likes to compartmentalize? Let me put it this way: For all his desire to be “special”, Brady merely ended up trading one “herd” for another- a noble and honorable herd for another grotesque and degraded one- the “heartfelt humane herd” for the “hateful Hitler herd”… Truly sad and with such disastrous consequences.
September 3, 2008 at 8:04 pm
I’m now sober (hic!)and I realise that writing on a serious forum like this whilst drunk is a very silly thing to do and I will desist -not from getting drunk but from going on this page when I am.
Pheonix-apoligies for any anti USA comments and were only meant to be politically based,it’s nothing personal to any American folk and I realise I expressed this in a crap way so sorry. On your previous Myra hyphothesis I think its extremly good and strong as an argument. You have the measure of her through and through.
I have never heard of HPD before and I wonder if it’s the same disorder that we here call Narcissistic Personality Disorder as the characteristics sound very similar. As you know personality disorders are virtually impossible to treat even when diagnosed and so the march of medical progress will not have any impact at all on this.
I do know that there are some physiological factors that can contribute to violent and sadistic urges namely low serotonin and high levels of testosterone-a a potentially deadly duo. It is possible that Myra had abnormally high levels of testosterone as her voice was deep and her body was quite masculine and she had an excessive sex drive apparently.
Its just a thought and I dont know if this has been explored before. As you say though she certainly had an underlying personality disorder which is the core of the pathology and the high testosterone merely acts as a kind of spark-plug.
Oh and a word for AHOLMES. Yes I HATE BRADY because I unlike him have empathy for his victims and their loved ones.
You say I dont know him which is true and so according to you this disqualifies me from feelings of hatred towards him. Isnt this a very selfish position. Brady didn’t do ME any harm so how can I hate him?????
Obviously if he had had a direct and negative (well it could never be positive in his case) impact on my life then of course my hatred would be magnified x1000, this is natural and honest. Should we only have bad feelings to those who harm us only? I hope you are in a small minority if that is really what you think.
Brady only serves one useful metaphyiscal purpose and that is to serve as a living symbol for evil personified and therefore to remind us that a very small number of humans are depraved beyond belief and beyond repair. Also they uphold when caught a sound argument for the state to impose a lifelong containment and for the people to revile them for ever and ever through the popular media. For all Brady and Hindley ‘sophisticated pretension’ they were savages straight out of a jungle and there should never be a place for such vermin in a civilised society.
September 3, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Hi folks..
I’m now sober (hic!)and I realise that writing on a serious forum like this whilst drunk is a very silly thing to do and I will desist -not from getting drunk but from going on this page when I am.
Pheonix-apoligies for any anti USA comments and were only meant to be politically based,it’s nothing personal to any American folk and I realise I expressed this in a crap way so sorry. On your previous Myra hyphothesis I think its extremly good and strong as an argument. You have the measure of her through and through.
I have never heard of HPD before and I wonder if it’s the same disorder that we here call Narcissistic Personality Disorder as the characteristics sound very similar. As you know personality disorders are virtually impossible to treat even when diagnosed and so the march of medical progress will not have any impact at all on this.
I do know that there are some physiological factors that can contribute to violent and sadistic urges namely low serotonin and high levels of testosterone-a a potentially deadly duo. It is possible that Myra had abnormally high levels of testosterone as her voice was deep and her body was quite masculine and she had an excessive sex drive apparently.
Its just a thought and I dont know if this has been explored before. As you say though she certainly had an underlying personality disorder which is the core of the pathology and the high testosterone merely acts as a kind of spark-plug.
Oh and a word for AHOLMES. Yes I HATE BRADY because I unlike him have empathy for his victims and their loved ones.
You say I dont know him which is true and so according to you this disqualifies me from feelings of hatred towards him. Isnt this a very selfish position. Brady didn’t do ME any harm so how can I hate him?????
Obviously if he had had a direct and negative (well it could never be positive in his case) impact on my life then of course my hatred would be magnified x1000, this is natural and honest. Should we only have bad feelings to those who harm us only? I hope you are in a small minority if that is really what you think.
Brady only serves one useful metaphyiscal purpose and that is to serve as a living symbol for evil personified and therefore to remind us that a very small number of humans are depraved beyond belief and beyond repair. Also they uphold when caught a sound argument for the state to impose a lifelong containment and for the people to revile them for ever and ever through the popular media. For all Brady and Hindley ‘sophisticated pretension’ they were savages straight out of a jungle and there should never be a place for such vermin in a civilised society.
September 3, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Hi again,
apologies for the duplicate entry as I submitted and screen went blank and it didnt enter it so I sent again with slight into change.
I think my laptop also is a bit wonky so sorry all.
September 3, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Karlo: Absolutely no offence taken! Also, nothing wrong with a little celebrating. Glad to hear you had a nice vacation in Germany.
September 3, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Karlo…
while I appreciate that this issue is a sensitive one, and therefore is likely to arouse strong emotion, I do feel that your comments aim towards myself were perhaps a little agressive…I was simply asking you a question, from the standpoint that I was genuinely interested in what you had to say.
Perhaps I didn’t explain the point I was trying to make clearly enough, or perhaps, given the subject matter, clarity is irrelevant.
While I have no wish to discuss in detail my personal life, I will say-through my work, I interacted regularly with men, whom, have acted in a deplorable way…and while none of these men have done that which Brady has done…this is how I know that it is possible to hate the crime, yet not the man.
That was my point. My personal opinion.
What Hindley and Brady did is beyond terrible, and this I know…I don’t try to deny it. I pray for Winnie that her son is returned to her, so that she may give Keith the burial he deserves.
September 4, 2008 at 8:21 am
Thank you, interested in Phoenix, the goose applauded you and is here by my side. All the kings horses and all the Kings men, just to put goosey together again.
As long as there are fakes and fancypants too, there will be a a witches brew for false gifts as they come and false cloths they wear, but to come to the table they try steal, cannot and do not share.
‘Our goose is so lean that cannot be seen. Mr Brady,time is running out like a man thin as a stream. The cellar is damp and set in stone, and will you let goosey be all alone’.
To Theresa, who I met, you can work with trusted people but not with those who say they have gifts they do not have, and hence who cannot use them, just ‘regurgitate’ sick them out them.
That is not instinct nor science, it is either plagarism or it is deception. Or evil. It is making fame without licence, and none will come.
The most noted person trusted with such values/gifts was the late Doris Stokes. A measure of humility to us all even in death.
To All,
I watched 10 Rillington Place yesterday on coming back from a very important meeting and there the hanging of Evans and his appeal in 1965 led the way to Brady not being hanged. It was a Kennedy that stopped this sentence as Evans hanged because of Christie. Time again is a great decision maker for he rests in a grave with his family. Did Ian and Myra think they would go to the gallows then, I bet they did same as Ruth Ellis did as she dressed and posed beside the fake stone wall, no fire warming the hard arsed bitch that dressed in cloths that were on the Provident list, tick and tat only fit her arse. Here behind you see was the the face she had.
Due to the ‘love affair’ – sexuall conquest she had, or what she(Myra) called it with the married police officer from Belle Vue she took money from his kids to fund her fag and lifestyle habit, Myra as a Munchausen’s By Proxy also and abandonment rage subject had the control and theatre.
But Brady the sad mongrel dog in someone else’s parlour never did. He stayed faithful to his friends and enemies even and still does.
In reply to Karlo,
Yes, Germany is a very fine place, I lived there for over 13 years and worked all over the Rhine and the outer regions. I listened to Hettie, and Herta tell me of how they saw their fathers being shot as decent chemists and banker in the town and German citizens by the youths in the Third Reich, of rape and murder inside the towns and villages and of the execution of those who like Brady were imbeciles as they saw it and socially, physically and mentally below the ‘ideal standard’. To belong they said you had to be subservient and controlled and learn to take pain and the ultimate sacrifice as did the second in command in Berlin in the bunker.
Did Brady see the children of this man killed in the bunker as a revisitation, or did Myra poison his mind to his own lack of ommipotentence?
What do you think Karlo/?
Did he like many ‘back the wrong horse’?
Did he and does he still see the end prize of glory and fame and a career that he never got, is that a false prophet or a male witch?
Mr Brady is eager for another media frenzy and yet he has no golden goose to tell the tale, he is lacking in a story now he has said he did not bury Keith.
Because he knows the location of another marker I found to add as to now three he is making it seem that he never sat, talked or showed a third person this grave or savoured it.
Mr Brady waits, do you not and others sometimes right for his need, but some are massed with apparent greed, and he sees and laughs as this is good, as evil is that is evil understood.
If riddle it is, then do not croak, for Ian will see the joke.
My sharpened stake is ready still, for it is the pencil that bodes him ill. He does not need to tell me where, for what good is he that can only stare. He is no good to find Keith, my lad, as he is in my time before others came to be born and bad. Keith Bennett was a lad of seven, and destined to be in Heaven, and when he comes to the cemetary hearth he will be home and in God’s hearth. But to lift him up from this small dell, I only need that special knell.
Ian Brady is no longer saying that he can ‘pinpoint’ the grave of Keith Bennett in better, more clarity words. He is saying now he wants to implicate a lad he wanted as his own brother, a mate, and that is what he wants to do. To have this old man take the blame for when Keith is found he knows what will be found, it is sheer bravado. I would expect a better result and not a distancing from the body that will be found.
It means Mr Brady I am so very close, and closer in these past hours than you like, and some think they know and others know I do not give my sciences that are key to anyone but me.
Ian has a decision to make, the longer he waits matters not to me. It matters more to him than me, that he cannot be the friend some thought as there is no fuel, fire, or food in the cold dark cote.
September 4, 2008 at 1:50 pm
i av tried to stay quiet,sat ere watching,reading all the comments which evry single 1 ov us as the right to put watever it says.evry1s opinion is there own and as the right to be written..mediumship and the world of spirit is so much on the increase it is frightening many ppl..these gifts are not SPECIAL they are in each and evry single one of us..many choose not to use it.a small child who as an invisible friend,places somewhere for this new friend to sit and names a name u wonder “where did that come from” just how invisible is that friend..children dont close down there psychic part until about 5 maybe just a bit later and there energies are so strong they attract most passing spirit which may explain why a child likes the light on at night..it may not be fear but the fact that seeing these energies each nite stops them fallin asleep and so its easier for them to just keep the light on..again this is just wat i believe..if u av a young child with an INVISIBLE friend plz ask the child a question that u know they cannot answer and ask them to ask there new friend,u may get a result that will surprise you..
as i posted way bk wen i first arrived on old twit i was told that i would be put in a circle and stones will be cast..i feel my circle is enlarging now..dont pull me down for my beliefs they are mine and i aint going to change them for anybody..
as karlo put earlier pychic/sensative micky..ur right on the sensative part i hurt too easy i try to please all and each day learn it cannot be done..my kick up the backside is always a corner away..
my psychic development is still in early stages..the messages i av recieved are from other mediums who pass the information onto me then with this i av to use my intuition to work out wat is trying to be said..evrything i get is logged and written down so plz note i claim nothing on im the psychic,i just take wat im given from mediums i respect highly then from there i place were they want me to be..also the mediums who av been helping me are NOT from around the oldham or manchester area..its only me from oldham they just give me what they are given..
all i ask is the pulling down of ppl for there beliefs is held back…if any1 watches the psychic detectives there is 1 of the episodes in which colin ,tony and tj did find the killer of sally anne and IT was taken to court as the program was held back whilst court proceedings were taking place if u can its worth a watch thank you for reading and may u all shine for ppl to see…and shine bright.
September 4, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Micky, as a spectator to your journey, id like to point out the fact that those mediums COME TO YOU, and i know you have not asked for their help, nor do some of them know what your path is and what or who you are looking for. I am a witness to this fact. Anyone who disputes this fact is not watching the same man that i am.
Keep up with the intuition, you are learning daily to trust yourself above anyone else, and follow your instincts. Having been with you on that day on the moors, the location was so spot on to the drawing you had been given by Pat weeks previously it was uncanny. Coincidence is a possibility, but in your heart you know what is right Science backs up what YOU have found and i was witness to that finding.
Follow your instincts, your a stones throw away. The doubters will be shown.
September 4, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Micky do not despair my son! what you are doing and where you are going is most certainly in the right direction ……. now who on earth would trudge thoses Moors for fun!!! I know for certain that the mediums who do try to help you are very very genuine people who have spent most of their lives working for Spirit and helping people for free yes for free as you do! and I know that you will be instrumental in finding the young lad and restoring him to his mother so she can bury him properly, god bless you Micky you are a genuine man ….. and please all who read this give Micky a pat on the back for doing what he is doing because he has children himself and lost his wife at the age of 28 , Micky go go do what you do and may god walk with you until you find that bairn xxxxxxxMorgan
September 4, 2008 at 4:45 pm
So it is you who have paid his bairns, teenagers to eat and told him of the wine and the tablets, the disaster and the lightening struck tree that he was never to see.
Instead it was here as arbivorists saw and I relayed as a pawn to you I now see. Tut, tut when God is mentioned for He is watching and is judgemental too when unstable people invade my territory before they were born.
If this man finds Keith it will not be from those on the dole who seek and tell of their gifts when they tell the farmer they have none. I see greed and fame as to a job, yet Christine drew a map that is exactly the same as the location. To her he said he was a healer and of fame, and it is was him not you that gifted to that had the visions that are untrue. So Ian laughs as greed is the outcome not the bones that are sat.
The path I took was alone, and yet sat on a bench taking it the sun is when as a scientist I had the seven years of toil to find a wall that resembled it and so police know.
The shaft of light on a photo he did not see, nor the bench, grid of Myra and her associations only one could see.I see greed and find you repulsive.
But I am gifted or cursed as is known but do not entertain as it is from a time of unknown and if by some chance a rogue hand disturbs Keith Bennett’s bone be sure a camera does not record this scene as vile it would be to let in a man who is covered in sin. To say the bairns name please is respect so go find Madeleine and the reward cercumspect, go find all the missing who cry and not the Moors which is of my time and place as none can deny.
For even if a digger finds Keith, they will be silenced as to what under the lawy. They cannot profit at all from this in any way shape of form and that is why my #30 cash left me to think that my transport and walker Andy had not been used and abused and paid my way and my builders do who are not amused.
They sought not to do the dirty and to use me as they come in with hoists and crane and with respect. For that is like a death indeed to find one who was sent in to deceive.
September 4, 2008 at 4:57 pm
No Theresa, when you sat on the couch you had not seen the place we went, and sat and listened and Andy, Mary and I went. Where to we did not know and how, but as to Andy and his stick he went on with me in case I fell and sure enough I though this aim was to a man that felt the same. Now I see that he is blind and was all the time to take my work and use it in a way for those who cannot ever feel the pain of being in this seven year game. With that fateful day I trudged watching down on those below sat in sunshine in the park unaware of my mounting fear seeng the gates so clear as Ian said and as fell Andy stood just behind me as I knew he would.
Up I went and up again slipping in the sandy grain, nothing here as others had gone to the left and not this track. No spirit hand just Pugin’s rath led me and the men who drove this path.
The photos on my return led me to a take expert advice, that is factual knowledge of arbivorists as a landowner and not a soothsayer, and then it was relayed on and on till it got to others in the circle.
Not till I found the cairn in the wall did I ring police and send in all. But to a blind man is known there is no place to find a soul.
So eat my pie and do not feel humble for I am not a tool for those who might use me, many ex servicemen would not dare do what is being done as my labouing team who do not spout as to the seven years of this quest and so I had it over to them.
September 4, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Oh dear, you seem to have forgotten that i was with Micky at that location days before you came up to the moor,and have the photo evidence that is dated to proove so.
If you read what i have posted i said the location which is a broad term for area. I have not claimed to pinpoint anything, but i was sat on that bench, a few days before you ventured up. There is no lie there, i even discussed this with you on the telephone that very same evening.
As for the fame and fortune, that doesnt come into it, its all about that little boy and bringing him home.
Your work is admirable as is your passion and dedication, my post to micky was for micky, to let a friend know that i saw as he saw on that day i was with him on the moor.
Nothing more nothing less.
September 4, 2008 at 6:17 pm
By the way my photos are dated 12.08.08 and you came up on the 14.08.08.
So please before casting stones ensure your facts are correct to avoid any future misunderstandings and misinformed personal judgements.
September 4, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Sorry Pauline I know of no wine tablets or lightning struck tree??? I only listen to Micky I do not send him on false trails as you seem to be saying! Iwould not have written anything here if i thought that you would attack Micky like this so Micky I apologise for this ! and I have never fed his children or bairns as you PUT so nastliy and I have never been on the Dole Ive worked my whole life and Im nearly 70 plus I know nothing of the relationship you have with Micky only that you were a friend !!! but reading what you have said I realise that you are not a friend of his so please dont do this to him MB
September 4, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Pauline: I’m glad to see you are back. I sense dissention in the ranks. Cannot it come together and be resolved somehow? You said you have turned over your findings to the police. Does everything now rest in their hands, or is necessary research still ongoing? Please keep the faith and try to stay calm.
September 4, 2008 at 7:57 pm
In reply to Pauline Anne Badger
I have never written on this website and did not want to but due to comments made about me and my wife and close friends i feel i have no choice.
I have driven to the moors afew times with micky and again with yourself, i have never asked for any money, meals, food, or fame.
yes i will accept i did recieve payment for fuel etc from you, however i did refuse this and only took it out of politeness,( you may have the money returned back to you if you feel that i accepted this for any other reason ) i would never dream of making money or anything else from the moors as i believe keiths body should be found and placed to rest properly and not for people to argue over or to gain from this or any other discovery.
i have always and always will help my fellow person no matter what and i would still be helping now if it wasnt for me being on a training course to gain employment ( which i want to do ).
I have known micky for years and he is a good and kind person and to cast stones on people who do constantly search the moors looking for keith in all the bad weather etc is totally unkind and uncalled for.
as you know i am not a follower of the spirit world but again i do not argue over the way others live their lives or choose to believe in whatever they want.
i also have no degrees or qualifications as of such and if having a bsc after your name makes you feel that your of some higher race and have the right to cast stones at those who dont then please please keep me away from those bsc’s.
sorry to all others if this is long
just i can-not believe that pauline feels that i am two-faced as to say, i have always been polite and yes i was born and brought up in the sixties and was taught right from wrong, but pauline if you still feel for some reason that i am some sort of ????? then please by all means e-mail me ( please allow e-mail address ) and feel free to cast as many stones ( in words only ):)
at me rather than on here, this is not the place and something people dont need or what to hear,
this is set up for keith and the story about what happened and hopefully his discovery.
and if you have any doubt about me i will state on here that the place as to where you are on about if you would like i will state this place. but i feel that both you and micky maybe in an area they where but i do-not accept that that is where keith lays so hopefully you or micky or any other person can now prove me wrong, as i believe keith lays closer to the others than people think. so this should show i am not after any fame or money you have this now in writing and if i could i would sign it too.
now please can this be the end and allow people to discuss the proper reason for this website than argueing.
andy
September 4, 2008 at 7:59 pm
I have been out of action for a few months and just checked by blog today only to find this long series of comments on the subject of Brady. I read most of them….and found it difficult to follow others….
But the moral of the story is that Brady has captured the attention of a lot of people out there. La La La La……and without meaning to be rude or anything like that it also seems that there are quite a few delusional folks who like to read this blog. And if Brady was motivated in part by a desire to make people aware of his existance he has suceeded beyond his wildest dreams…..thanks in no small part to those who like to post comments on blogs such as this..
Oh dear , oh dear.
September 4, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Well said, although its not only Brady craving the attention methinks and if you dont agree with that person then you are damned. God forbid, we should have an opinion or facts that differ from others.
Open forums are for discusive purposes, to attract debate, different view points. If others views cant be respected and your way is so closed you have to attack those who disagree then maybe an open forum is not how you should communicate to the world. Making personal judgements and assumptions is a revolting way to conduct oneself, and an action im sure someone like Brady would applaud.
September 4, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Hello Twit!
Where have you been off to for so long?
Karl:
As I stated earlier, I do not have any degrees in the scientific fields that apply here, so I do not know the professional or clinical jargon or opinions. Not putting myself down, just being honest as to my “armchair” status.
I only posted that bit about HPD because of the scene in “Longford” when the character of Brady screams at Longford that Myra is “an hysteric”.
You are right about its connection with Narcissistic Personality Disorder- Wikipedia lists the following for Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD) as “See also”:
Antisocial personality disorder
Borderline personality disorder
Hysteria (conversion disorder)
Narcissistic personality disorder
According to what I have read, you are right about the female partner in a perverted folie à deux often having an abnormally high sex drive. Ritchie certainly hits that point about Myra in her prison years.
Although Myra stated that her attraction to Brady was instant, I think it was his initial ignoring her that led to her obsessive pursuit of him, her obsessive need to gain his attention and thereby “conquer” him. She must have morphed into any number of personalities to gain his attention and to accommodate his interests. His perversity and sadism along with her own, as well as her chronic need to be “special”, fit her inner rage (her “abandonment rage”, as Pauline calls it) like a glove.
As for Brady, it appeared he had no interest in the ladies. However, according to Harrison, he was inwardly searching to find a special someone with whom to share his “vision of death”, his perceived sense of empowerment, his own “specialness”. Enter Myra, already obsessed with winning him over and willing to turn into a pretzel to accommodate him, the perfect lieutenant. He must have felt he “conquered” her. If times were different, she might have been a man.
I think Myra might have encouraged or even escalated the abduction and killing of children to keep his attention, to maintain some sort of bond. I think perhaps that Brady was sexually attracted to Smith and in a desperate bid for his attention and alliance- a seeming “do or die” bid- murdered Evans in that frantic and frenzied way. This must have driven Myra wild, as she felt Brady’s attention waning, his breaking of their bond, her no longer being the only “special” one in a private world of their own.
September 4, 2008 at 10:47 pm
firstly to AHolmes, I’m sorry to have been a bit ‘robust’ in my ‘Bradyphobia’ based views but you say don’t judge the man judge the actions- or words to this effect.
Is it not the case that WE ARE our actions and no more? The process of phenomenology which it is said is the mechanism that form our ideas of reality are based simply on appearance or phenomona. You are a far more forgiving and Christian person than I if you find Brady lacking in your idea of hatred.
I find ‘old twit’s’ Bradyphilia the most incomprehensible position on this page. Is he an agent- provocetuer or maybe he believes that Brady is special and a celeb.
The thing which old twit doesnt seem to grasp if the latter is the case is that Brady stands for pure and secular evil and fills us with revulsion.
His 6th form nihilism and shite he comes out with in Janus doesnt cut ice with us (I hope I speak for most of us).
I have misanthropic tendancies sometimes but old twit face up to the fact that Brady killed babies and kids. If he’d killed junkies or a la Charles Bronson in Death Wish type thing then we may applaud him but then this would be far less evil and so he wouldnt be Brady.
Anyway that case was so terrible that we are still trying to make sense of it 40 odd years on. Maybe Brady did get what he wanted but I doubt it.
Not once in Janus does he boast of being evil instead he uses very crass moral relativist arguments and so me thinks that he is not so proud with himself.
Pheonix yes I forgot about Myra’s prison shenanagins that you point out and I am convinced that she had dangerously high testosterone levels which led to not only sadistic and high sexual traits but also the love of risky behaviour. Again though Pheonix you hit the nail on the head about the ‘bond’ aspect. She wanted Brady forever and she knew that ‘their little secret’ was the way to do this.
Also Brady I’m sure wanted Smith in bed and dont know if this ever happened as I read that Smith ‘swung both ways’ as they say.
Smith by the way is now an extremely articulate man (lives in Ireland and runs a B&B)about the whole thing and comes across as almost erudite given his background.
I think maybe David Smith should consider a book although he seems to have a lot of integrity and doubt whether he would want to profit from the case. I am sure though he would provide a very useful insight and his life story pre and post ‘moors’would be very interesting.
September 5, 2008 at 8:50 am
That’s quite alright Karlo, I do appreciate that this is a topic which understandably evokes strong emotion.
Thank you for sharing your views, it is certainly something to think on-the idea that we are our actions…
Through my work, I think that I have learnt to seperate the man from the deed…and to look at them objectively.
I’m afraid, despite my deeply personal religious beliefs…from a psychiatric point of view, I do not believe that people are evil. The act is evil, yes, without doubt…but I don’t believe that any one person is wholly evil. I think this is a common mistake that the public make when faced with an act so horrific, they must seperate the instigator from the rest of the general population. They create a MONSTER figure, because it is easier that way, it is easier to believe that a man like Brady wasn’t born like us, when in reality he is no different from you or I…what sets him apart are his actions…but he is still human.
By the way, nice to see you back Old Twit
September 5, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Hello all and terrible rain we are having in Liverpool-enough of weather small talk and again to AHolmes we will have to agree to differ about Brady as I find it impossible to seperate him from his deeds.
I have worked in the criminal justice in a research role for a long time and I know full well that offenders can be rehabilitated and a lot of them have had terrible formative years and sometimes substance misuse problems or have been sexually abused etc. I think we should always avoid judgement in these cases ‘for there for the grace of god’ etc.
Brady though is a totally different kettle of fish. I also do not like the mob mentality of the tabloid class and the crude ‘monster’ headlines etc.
However I think watershed cases like the ‘moors killers’ need to be looked at differently.
If anything good came of Ian Brady and Myra Hindley it is that they remind us of the parameters of morality and yes I think dehumanising those extremely rare specimens like Brady and Hindley is a good thing.
I believe a lot in the notion of society and what would it say about us if the Brady’s of this world got off without being dehumanised. I think we have slid down the slope of decadence with hardcore porn at the touch of a button etc but whether you see it as ‘liberal’ or ‘immoral’ I think that if a Brady and Hindley emerged now the revulsion would be the same and I think in 500 years from now it would be the same.
Brady and Hindley made war on the deepest and most primal aspects of civilsed society and one shouldnt find it strange that they are viewed as ‘monsters’-even if we don’t agree with the crude and cliched tag of ‘monster’.
You say ‘he is no different from you or I’ and this I find a very unusual thing to say. He may have the same physical make up as us but flesh and blood mean nothing here. He is rotten to the core and I really think that very few of even the most hardend villians are anything like him. Even say Ronnie or Reggie Kray were nothing like Brady. Even Hitler I would argue was much more human than Brady. Hitler’s genocide and empire existed mainly in his mind and it was other psycopaths who did his dirty work.
Brady would not have been content to order death for he would always have to be ‘hands-on’ as it were.
I really think AHolmes that you should really think deeply about Brady’s darkness and pray that you are nothing like him.
September 5, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Karlo,
As always, thank you for so openly sharing, with us, your views.
I am afraid that, at this point in time, we shall fail to agree; we’re obviously two people firm in our beliefs…though, admittedly, perhaps sometimes to a fault.
Take me at my word when I say, I have indeed thought deeply.
I would assure you, Karlo, that I have no need to bother God with that worry.
…I would like to ask you, do you think if it hadn’t of been innocent children murdered, you would feel as strongly as you so obviously do?
Thank you once again for, I think, bringing to this discussion some truly interesting points.
September 5, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Yes mein gut fruend AHolmes we will have to agree and you should meditate more. Do you have children I wonder? The tape of Lesley Ann when those sick bastards taped her very agony. Thats where your heart should be with that extreme suffering.
If you are a christian (by the way Im atheist but I believe in the morals and social control of the bible)you should know that the bible states that ‘men should be judged by their actions’. Are you maybe secretly in love with Brady?
I hope this doesnt offend for many women have proposed marriage to people like Brady and Sutcliffe.
Who can explain this? I love kids and and I believ that most women also do and if a woman can have sympathy for Brady then we are in sad city.
I would personally like to see Brady burn quite slowely and if you think that’s sadistic of me then you are right.
I would not urinate on him by the way to relieve his burning. I think he is the most repulsive thing ever and I am proud to be with the common herd on this one. You should read Neitzchie to see how Brady has perverted his great works. At least also Hitler loved children.
Children are so innocent and Brady and vermin like Gary Glitter and all paeodophiles should be out into forced labour camps and worked to death or better still put into death camps where they can be turned into smokeless fuel and power the turbines,
I agree with the fascist/communist code that individuals should subjegate themselves to the needs of the state or face incararation or death.
Brady should have had his head blown off at early age. Anything else is sentimental do-gooding twaddle. Ironicaly my friend Holmes i think this is one area that me and Brady would agree upon. Humans should see themselves as part of a bigger picture or not see themsleves at all.
You are wrong Holmes both philosophically and practically and Brady should have no apologists-so why why be one?
Its strange that a woman can side with Brady. Just think of those kids and think about his extreme evil, although somehow I think you have made your mind up and you are a supporter of him for whatever strange reason and it is f*cking strange!
Ive been in the criminology game for a long time and Ive interviewed a few young child murderers and Ive always had sympathy for them when Ive learnt their antecdents I can forgive them in a way but as Ive said before Brady is different.
Thanks
September 6, 2008 at 8:19 am
Karlo,
In answer to your question, no, I do not have children & I would agree that it is possbile that if I did, my viewpoint would differ.
In actual fact, I adore children. They bring a light to a world often eclipsed by darkness.
I am indeed a Christian, Karlo, and a proud one at that.
Karlo, I neither support Brady in his actions, nor do I make apologies for them. Am I in love with Ian Brady? No. Though I consider that a valid question, as there is a long history of infactuation with men such as Brady, Bundy (Bundy on a ridiculous scale) and…as you say, Sutcliffe.
I, myself, however am in a loving relationship with my boyfriend of over a year.
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As always, I appreciate your honesty greatly, thank you.
September 6, 2008 at 7:52 pm
AHomles I am so terribly sorry. I had had a hard a work yesterday and Im afraid and ashamed to say that I over induldged on the red wine which seems to be a bit of a habit of late!
Ive just re-read my latest rant from last night and I cant believe I used a profanity (albeit slightly censored).
I think you are too easy going to opinionated brutes like myself! I did go over the top and honest nothing personal was meant.
There is a weird phenomona as you agree of certain women being attracted to the Bradies, Bundies Sutcliffs et al of this world but of course you are not one them and I shouldnt have suggested that you may be, so sorry for that.
Brady does stir up strong feelings and I’m afraid I am always hostile to a knee-jerk liberal/christian response to his ilk as Im also hostile to the ‘hang-em and flog-em’ mentality.
Must go as have bad hangover (serves me right!)
Karlo writing from the Betty Ford Clinic!!
September 6, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Karlo, seems like you have been imbibing a little too much of the Liebfraumilch!
September 6, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Holmes:
I think I understand what you were trying to say. Yes, very some very evil acts are done by some very sick people.
But I too would caution you not to romanticize Brady in any way. I remember that in response to one of your comments about your interest in Brady, Twit said that he is an interesting man and that he admires him. I remember thinking that this comment of Twit’s seemed an oddly inappropriate one to make to a young woman like you- especially since he is an older man and should not play on the possible emotional vulnerability of a young woman like yourself.
As to Twit’s claim that he admires Brady, that he is “a great success story” because he became “famous”? Let’s get one thing clear:
IAN BRADY IS “FAMOUS” FOR ONE THING ONLY: HE KILLED CHILDREN!
This puts him in the category of INFAMY, not fame.
September 6, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Well Said Pheonix. If Old Twit really admires Brady then I’m afraid that makes Old Twit ALMOST as bad as Brady. Perhaps old twit admires all evil/sick men.
Perhaps he has posters of Geoffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and the Hill side stranglers on his wall alongside Brady. Maybe old twit wishes he had the guts to be a Brady or Bundy. He must vicariously jerk off in their reflected sick glory maybe?
I would like to ask twit if he thinks Brady stands out from the other sickos and why? At least Damher ate adults and Bundy raped adult women instead of babies.
September 6, 2008 at 9:08 pm
INFAMY:
(Miriam-Webster Online Dictionary)
1: evil reputation brought about by something grossly criminal, shocking, or brutal
2 a: an extreme and publicly known criminal or evil act b: the state of being infamous
(Encarta Online Dictionary)
1. notoriety: the disgrace to somebody’s reputation caused by an infamous act or behavior
2. shameful conduct: shameful or criminal conduct or character
3. evil deed: a publicly known infamous act or event
September 6, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Karlo:
Somehow I think Twit is more of “an agent- provocateur”, to use your term. Well, at least I like to think so- although he does seem to smack of some sort of perverse cynicism. But I do appreciate his making this page available to everyone.
Yes, I wish David Smith would write a book! After such a troubled youth, he does seem to have settled into a productive life- hopefully a happy and peaceful one. I really commend him for his courage in going to the police and also for following through in aiding the prosecution of Brady. No matter what his past, he should have been considered a hero for putting a stop to Brady and Hindley. Instead he and his family suffered such revilement by a bunch of sickos. Nonetheless, I wonder if he ever did feel that the majority truly did appreciate what he did? I hope so. He’s a hero in my book. THANK YOU, DAVID SMITH!
September 7, 2008 at 9:38 am
Karlo,
Apology accepted.
…No need to caution me Phoenix, I have no illusions regarding Ian Brady; though indeed, it possibly seems that I do.
September 8, 2008 at 11:02 am
In reply to Andy, I did the same for all my volunteers as to how to repay kindness and yet have been got at from a side that says that the spirit person did in fact engage a volunteer that did say they did not need me or any other person. It was and is barbaric to think that I was sought out for my connections and seven years work.
I do not accept that this site or any other is a site for conquests of any sort and subversive actions. I do not expect a job or career out of what I do vocationally that is as a scientist or one inflicted with gifts from my grandmother and as a near death survivor.
So there we are, I thank you personally Andy for carrying me over the Moor and for your engagement on land that is unsuitable for an old lady to walk alone. Quite why the issue of my research historically shared with others who then consume it as psychic money power is beyond me.
I have warned that even my knowledge is not enought to try and uncover a crime scene and clandestine burial without proper forensic archaeoligists insitu and the legal licence to do so. So my team of seven years do not need to relay to psychics of the details nor would they.
As for Ian Brady, he is a games master and disturbed person and many have gained from his acts of sadism as he says in publishing such items and making them ‘speek’ as it were.
There is no place worse for Ian as I know than malingerers and those who use him to make money and fame. I did not seek it and do not want it, and though I work to pay for my volunteers who act with grace it is still a paid hourly wage and I for one would endorse any employment. I do not endorse those who sought and seek to use this as cold reading and have done, and used or themselves allowed to be used to prove some psychic talent6.
Again, police have warned of not to dig in sites of such anticipated clandestine grave activity, and Ian Brady knows full well the implications of such an act.
But empirically, this place is not a fairground for training in the metaphysical, it is quite clear from what the Lawyer said that he is telling me in his own way.
For now I have more pressing things to deal with like academic study of my finals in ‘identity as a fiction’ in forensic psychology, so fight over the bread that is perceived as cast and not denied.
September 8, 2008 at 12:14 pm
i hope paulines outbursts and uncalled attack upon me as suited her to what she requires.after many warnings i still allowed a trust to develop which i find now was so wrong,but i was also told i am learning and as always i do it the hard way.i find it repulsive for someone to use my past and my children against me.the fact you told me many come along to use you as spoken for itself i now see which way this as happened.if bringing me to tears makes u smile then so be it sweet.many things im told i dont write down as i cannot lower myself to use a tit for tat approach..never av and never will..but to use the word God after wat u write kinda disturbs me..all ppl i av met and spoke too are always told im NOT the spirit reciever `yet`its other mediums who give the messages to me.i am to be given many tasks as well this is the first of many..as to being on the dole i am a single parent and its the only way i can manage to run my home and bring up my teen children,to bring my wife into this was shocking of you..as telling ppl u had hurt urself whilst on the moor..it was at this my own alarmm bells began to ring..for some1 who is so well educated why the need to tell untrue stories..ur ravings av taken us away from why we are all here…ohhh and who asked me to get in touch with max clifford i av kept all mails …i wish u well in ur life and hope u get the grades and qualifications u so desire..all i ask is that u leave my family alone those still here and the one who as passed and if u want to use the word of God plz do with the meanings the word was designed for…not an assault of someone u hardly know..sometimes a friend comes along who can be special its your own choice to accept or refuse… you refused.
September 8, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Well said micky….when you told me she had told you to contact max clifford i did laugh out loud. Its funny who the only one who ever mentions money and fame is the one who attacks those not interested in it. One protests to much imo.
Just for the record….Micky did find that shaft of light on the photo i was sat in the same room as him at the time.
And to use such personal private details to attack in such a public domain is dispicable, and unforgivable.
I could cast my own stones but i wont. I wont lower myself to delusional people who have nothing better to do than discredit others they see as a threat.
Micky….dont lose heart you know who your friends are, view this as a lesson learnt, and keep smiling as i know you are.
September 8, 2008 at 5:58 pm
can I just say that christine Hamlett never said x marks the spot as to the place where keith is buried. She did however point out an area which is quite vast where she beleives keiths remaind lie. So was not proved wrong in any way shape or form just miss-qouted.
September 9, 2008 at 3:49 pm
back to business now,here is where im at as to why im in this blog and thats for the finding of keith.the garden the pair was creating did not begin to be created, i feel keith was the first flower to be put in there,this creation of a garden was Not to be on the cold unpredictable moor where they had placed there first 2 victims but in a location more suitable to create their garden.there fourth victim (or was she the fourth)was during the christmas period,a time where they would be drunk and maybe needed a quick disposal of the evidence,at winter many not to tend their gardens as not much grows during this period.the pair when confessing to paulines murder and also the wanting of them to give keiths place was what myra took to be her chance of the freedom she so desired but was never to be given.they knew that finding pauline in the location she was placed that keith would not be found for he isnt there.in her mind she thought that finding pauline would be enough for a change in public opinion
and her release become a reality.they never wanted keith finding as this would expose them to the explanation of the other missing children that will be found near him.a list of missing children in the manchester area was printed in the manchester evening news in october 1965,this as been listed by pauline in this blog earlier when the blog started (i think).if the other children had been found myra knew she had no chance of ever being released as to her map she drew at her last attempt of freedom,in getting her degree in humanities (tut)she must ov known her freedom would never be but she took the police to a location they can search till they are blue in the face..she did not want him finding whilst she lived as she knew her fate was to be locked away forever.more people know more about this the they let on,hiding the secrets they hold about the garden they DID create but it wasnt the one on the bleak moor all are thinking,i know im getting there and as i said earlier in my earlier bloggs i dont do giving up watever is thrown at me,lets stick to the task in hand and find this boy so his mum can finally put him where she wants him and finally end this story
September 9, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Micky:
This indeed is astonishing news! Are you then saying that you believe there is a “garden” in a different location totally away from the moors? Do you have any idea where this other location might be?
I am glad to see that you are back here on Twit’s page and still dedicated to finding little Keith.
Whatever happened between you and Pauline has been distressing. I hope she will be back here too, as she has made such an enormous contribution to this website. I know she has been dedicated and working hard to find Keith for Winnie for at least seven years now. She has indicated that she has been hoodwinked by many fraudulent searchers over the years and perhaps has become over-sensitive to what she perceives as anyone’s less than admirable motives.
It seems that she was upset over not being informed in the beginning as to where you were getting your information from. I am basing that on the post by “Pat” who mentioned drawing a map for you, which Pauline seemed to know nothing about. It seems she was unaware that much of your search was based on information from other psychics. Your not telling her upfront obviously pressed a lot of her buttons, and she went on what appeared to be an excessive attack.
I hope you and Pauline (and everyone involved) can put your differences aside and declare some sort of truce. At the least, I hope you both will continue to have faith and post your thoughts and comments here, because you both make an important contribution!
So Pauline, I hope you are reading this and will come back!
September 9, 2008 at 7:46 pm
thank you phoenix for the kind words,i am staying off the subject about other bloggers i am only here to write wat i feel i need to share with u all who follow here regularly.i do believe when they relate to the garden they are not meaning the place on the moor the other children were found,they found a place were they could consider theirs and during the summer months(when we did av summers lol)this space was where they would spend some of their time.i feel i am so close and time is calling now,this stories end is very near but with this i feel a new one will start..as i said earlier keith isnt alone there maybe this is something the police may already know or fear..but im sure as we all do no mattter what it takes the story does need to be closed and the brady hindley saga finished forever..he will av no more to play with as his cards and his bluffs are drawn out..game over..
September 9, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Micky: Your news is so encouraging. I have read in Harrison that Brady told him that he greatly feared Keith being found. He told Harrison that it would lead to more trouble for him in terms of what would be found there and that he would lose any of the few friends and supporters that he had- so whatever he meant must be very bad. I do hope you are close. I too feel the end is near somehow. Thank you so much for keeping us posted here.
September 10, 2008 at 9:54 am
I do not want to stir things up again but I feel I have to come Micky`s side, I had asked Micky to keep this drawing to himself and not dis-close it to anyone, Micky was only doing what was asked of him and i am sorry that he had to experience the problems what it created. but i also feel Phoenix like Micky its just a matter of time and Micky`s devotion to finding the little one Kieth.
September 10, 2008 at 1:14 pm
phoenix ur bloggs are so encouraging and i do appreciate all ur input in here as i do evry posative post placed here.i know u av to take my word for this but i avent read any of the writings on the moors events
all i come up with is what im taking from wat i am told.i came onto the subject of michael higgins due to the name “michael” keep coming to me.then from this i av to decide did he drown,was myra NOT there as she tells all,as the truth seemed so hard for her to tell.she was haunted by the sins of her father and i also feel this she carried into the murders that were committed.again this is my own thoughts on the matter and dont hold this as being gospel,but i feel going with my gut instinct is how i av to approach this matter.remember we create our own children and build them into what they become,our responsability of how we parent shows through our children.we av become a soft generation towards our children and allow them more freedom than was allowed when we was young.maybe this is were many troubles involving teens at the moment is coming from.
for obvious reasons i cannot post the messages i recieve regularly but i must say one of the last ones i found quite surprising,if u dont follow spirit etc i appologise and respect u all for ur beliefs but i feel this is my belief and i would like to share then maybe u will see how i get to were i am.
my last message was at first telling me to keep my chin up and to continue walking tall not let anything bring u down..this is from a lady who knows nothing about this site and blogs i do..also they continued to describe the area i am in at this moment..the twist came with the spirit saying about rosemary..the reader saying this could be a herb or a name..i asked the reader to ask who was giving me this message,she replied with “she tells me she is ur guide”although i dont hear spirit i do no i av not yet got a female guide
then the reader said “micky this doesnt feel right she wont come forward”it was now i knew who was giving the message…
myra befriended rosemary west in prison and i av the feeling they discussed there evil deeds together and rosemary may hold the names of the other children(if there)when keith is found.but please remember this is my own thoughts on what i recieve and i do respect others beliefs and do not in any way wish to throw my beliefs down any1s throats,i think its 9 weeks now i av been on this case and feel i av got quite some way in a short time and i do appreciate all others who av spent many years on this also,if ur hearts in the right place then follow it
September 10, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Pat:
Thank you, I understand, and I know you are all trying to help Micky.
Micky:
I am not gifted as you are, but I do believe in the work you, and your friends that are helping you, are doing. I know many cases here in the US have been solved through the aid of psychics- so I do not discount the importance of your efforts. It seems you have several people helping you, so hopefully that has a synergistic effect, as different people have strengths in different areas. Also, it is probably good that you haven’t read all the various accounts of the murders, as I have heard psychics say that too much external information is more of a hindrance than a help.
That is interesting about Rosemary West being a connection with Myra Hindley. Somehow I can’t imagine the two of them sharing much useful information with each other, other than to play the blame-game about Fred and Ian causing them all this trouble and ruining their lives- but of course I could be wrong, as I have no way of knowing what went on between those two twisted souls. Perhaps in blaming Ian, Myra told Rosemary that there were more bodies that he was responsible for.
This has been such a long and difficult search for little Keith. It seems incredible that it has gone on so long! But I do believe Keith will be found, and I feel the time is very soon. As I said earlier, I am not gifted as you, but I have had a number of different experiences- one being the voice of an angel in my ear that saved the life of one of my daughters when she was a toddler. My heart pounded for a week afterwards and still does when I think of what a close call that was. But I often have a sense of knowing that has proved true, and I have a sense of knowing that you are close.
So, Micky, keep your chin up and keep walking tall! Keep faith and many thanks for all you and your friends are doing to find little Keith!
September 10, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Hi all Ive had only a couple of glasses of Leibfraumilch (hic!) which hopefully is the passion I have in common with Brady.
Actually I have a lot in common in terms mainly of aesthetic tastes such as a liking of classical music and philosophy and a few negative misanthropic traits and of course a quasi alcoholic love of red wine!
Never though a murderous or rape fantasy I’ve ever had which is the gospel truth-doesnt appeal at all. Not only is rape morally disgusting but on an ego and vanity level who on earth would want sex with someone who doesnt want it? That can surely never be a turn on!
Reading about him I realised that to a point we were/are similar but I find it so fascinating/tantalising when someone one feels one understands wants to go such dark and depraved and incomprehensible places. He is an intelligent chap though not so great a mind as he thinks so it’s even more weird.
In the Duncan Staff book it was said that they they killed as they wanted to transcend their working class conditions but as they were both above average IQ why didnt they simply do the usual thing of getting qualifications and going on to get more middle class jobs and going up the greasy pole?
How on earth is the abduction and murder of children about rising above their proletariat origins?
I recently bought Prof David Canter’s ‘Criminal Shadows-inside the mind of a serial killer’ and far more enlightening than Brady’s juvenile ‘Janus’ book. I would recommend it totally, its very accessable and intelligent.
I had the pleasure about 1 year ago to go on a week’s training course under Prof Canter through my job on Geographic Offender Profilling and Ive recently joined his academy of investigative psychology. He is the leading UK forensic psychologist and is based here at Liverpool University and is undoubtedly the No1 expert in this field in the UK and maybe the world.
If I ever get the chance I would love to ask his opinion of Kieth’s resting place but I know his expertise is more in locating and profiling offenders.
On what Micky says of Myra and Rose West, I find this very interesting although I read (prob in some trashy tabloid) that when Myra was in the same nick as Rose, they did indeed meet but Myra found Rose to be “intellectually inferior” which figures as Rose was by all accounts a country bumpkin inbred semi retarded type as was Fred.
I was not surprised that they killed as they were through their mutual subnormal low IQ both very primitive and therefore sex obsessed. David Canter’s most recent book ‘mapping murder’ talks about the Wests and clearly they were totally withdrawn into their own sex depraved world.
What I think sociologically makes them so different from Brady and Hindley is that the Wests had no cultural or intellectual interests.
Its tragic and strange that given the low intelligence of the wests that they went undetected for so long.
Lastly and with all due respect to Micky- I doubt though would love to proved wrong- if Kieth can be found through psychic means as it would have happened already. As I say would love to be proved wrong
September 11, 2008 at 8:30 am
karlo that was a question i av also asked myself,why hasnt a medium not already found him yet?plz remember i am not the medium recieving the messages,i av 4 diffent mediums(who take no money from sitters)who pass the messages onto me.then i av to take what im given and try to make sense from them.i understand much info is or as been press infomation as to me saying u av to trust me.i av never made any false claims about how im doing this and hope that ppl do trust wat i type…
the messages i get are logged and dated and i print out as im recieving them,in the early ones i am told ov a medium being close to him and was told this was about 10 years ago.
did u know a medium was used in 1965(i av been told this by someone and cant stake my life on this)and she did mention the locations for the 2 found at the time spot on,but was slated for not finding the third..again this is wat im told and i cant say its gospel..
the messages im given av taken me to a location,i av to work out were these locations are..
we live our lifes through choices,each and every one of us av a choice on how we live..if a medium could pinpoint every murder victim then what a reduction in murder we would av,i av the choice to continue to look or to stop now,karlo ur own choices are taken evryday also and as i av said before u write in a manner i feel u will go very far in life,do u educate yourself more or do u work,do u open the bottle of wine are all ur own choices..
many mediums become pray to the sceptics (who i never knock,they keep us on our toes)and there are many out there who wait for the first mistake then will try there upmost to bring this medium down,this then causes the mediums to self doubt and then their choice to continue to look or to stop is virtually made for them.
one message i was given explained why i was picked.i hope 1 day i can put them all on a site where u may all go and see what i was given,but was told “micky they chose you because you dont give in”
i av already had my knocks and a down day too but i bounce right back i av no intentions of stopping.
i am a young widow with 3 teen children of my own and am so blessed with my children as i watch them slowly grow into adulthood my eldest is 20 this week(now i feel old lol)and spirit came to me i didnt go searching for spirit.
i will try my utmost to finish the task i av been given i av to go out now and felt i was on a typing role here.karlos keep up the bloggs and u enjoy ur wine,
hope i av given u a bit of insight to were im coming from as i say i dont wanna throw my blief down anybodys throat but only ask you dont tear me apart for my choice which is i believe wat i av seen or they allow me to see the rest i hope to say one day will be history …cheers budd..
September 11, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Karlo:
Interesting work you do as a Geographic Offender Profiler. What kind of cases have you worked on, and do you only work on cases in the Liverpool area?
It would be so interesting for you to ask Prof Canter his opinion on the search for Keith. I would think it would be right up his alley in terms of investigative psychology. Maybe he could rally some forces or at least perhaps know of some other interested parties to contact.
So far science alone has not found Keith, so I feel the right psychics or mediums have as good a chance as any in helping to find Keith. So, who’s to say Micky’s dedication and determination to find Keith won’t have a positive outcome?
There seem to be a lot of people in the UK that bemoan and revile the press for keeping the moors murders and Brady and Hindley and the search for little Keith in the public eye. But here in the US people like John Walsh and Marc Klaas believe it is very important to keep attention on cases in the media and that it greatly increases the odds of cases being solved. It helps to keep the pressure on, so to speak.
I don’t believe the moors murders and search for Keith are much known outside of the UK. Perhaps an all-out plea for action through the media is exactly what is needed! Maybe it is time for a mass appeal on efforts to find Keith, and the best specialists and equipment from all over the world should be entreated to join forces and FIND HIM!
So, Karlo, as an advocate for victims, would you be willing to take on this assignment? I do believe you are up to the task and could do it!
September 11, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Micky,
aahhh bless you, you must be a very nice and self assured person as I realised when it was too late that my email was a bit scathing about psychic ability etc. It was not meant as personal and clearly you also didnt take it personally, so Im glad about that.
I think its great what you’re doing and the rest of us just pontificate about the case and insult Brady and Hindley which is really not much use to anyone though maybe therapuetic to the writer and maybe at times the reader.
You obviously are a genuine and gifted medium going by all the bloggs from others speaking on your behalf.
I regret also (I must try to reduce my wine drinking to only 2 bottles per night instead of 3!!!)saying that I share some characteristics of Brady. I think i was influenced by reading stuff like Canter’s book (criminal shadows) about the Brady’s of this world and how all men (men- in particular) share certain characteristics and are basically criminally disposed.
I think that if anyone who contributes to, or reads this site thinks that Brady is no different from the rest of us they are wrong. Even if we share the same tastes in music, books, football,fashion or Leibfraumilch(-lol) or anything-this all goes out the window with the sadistic psychopath like Brady. I’m afraid the tabloids are right when they call Brady and co a ‘monster’ as the total lack of empathy renders them to this status even if they are a little more intelligent than the average criminal as perhaps Brady is.
Anyway totally knackered and going to ‘dry-out’ tonight for a change!! Micky keep up the good work and thanks for being nice about my pompous and overly opinionated bloggs.
All the best Micky and everyone and goodnight godbless…
September 11, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Karlo, you are priceless!
September 11, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Pheonix dear chap (or chap-ess maybe?),
thanks for that. Yes although I spent a week’s training under the great Prof Canter and there also people from all over the world and a few from the US-but mainly Europe who also did the training with me.
However, and unfortunately for me, although I occasionaly get to go on things like the Canter geographical offender profilling training and other such’jollies’ and conferences that are very ‘sexy’ in criminology terms, alas am not involved with murder cases or the like.
I am an analyst of more mundane crimes and anti social behaviour but I do do a lot of geographic profiling of offenders using GIS software and I produce crime hotspot reports etc. I do like my work but I am low-down in the food chain as it were.
I have though in past roles worked with young serious offenders in a research capacity and 8 years ago I wrote a book chapter on young sex offenders which was academically very stimulating though also quite depressing.
I have met Prof Canter and recently was invited to join his international academy and in due course if I get the chance I will ask him about the moors case. He by the way pioneered FBI type profiling in the UK and has many many years experience in the serial killer field.
I very much doubt though he would be of any help but his esteemed and opinion would I’m sure be interesting.
If science is going to find Kieth then I think maybe it would have happened already as the world’s leading forensic archeologist (much more useful than a forensic psychologist) Prof. Hunter (see Staff’s book)has failed to find Kieth so far so I can’t see the value of other academic experts gettng involved.
Ah well must go to bed now with a good book (criminal shadows!)and hope that the dreaded delerium tremors (DTs) don’t strike me tonight-just joking!!
September 12, 2008 at 11:25 am
karlos always remember a killer is someones neighbour,friend,relative etc,there is no code to spotting what the young person will grow up to be.when we all type our bloggs in here we do not know who it is typing,if i say i am male u av to take it that im male(by the way i am)but in usa micky is also a girls name.never be sorry for typing wat u think,as u are unique and ur thoughts are your own,change them for nobody,always be karlos.i was born in liverpool(sefton park)but was adopted so only spent first 6 weeks of my life there.my birth family still live there in garston and when i visit its like im coming home.
anyway enough about me lol,i dont take to heart anything written about me,mediums etc,all i ask is theres no need to involve my family.
its like im now aving to wait for the right time to move in. new messages i recieved last nite the time is coming it is almost upon us to change what we will type.the time for the 1 person to listen is here i av done all i can and now need for people to stand up and say “lets do it”.but again the knowing that keith is not alone is also stronger,with him and so very near are other children.i need some1 who is listening to step forward to help move to the next stage,help me push this into motion.no one listens to me but there is someone out there who wants to hear all im saying,if u are watching then do wat u feel u av to do,let the one who can push this forward know for the time is here and i know i am 99 per cent there.if someone watching knows or contacts ian brady tell him i know the game u played and were u played it (all wasnt evil that night)they even managed to av the last supper.was Brady the General
or did Myra take that away from you too…i now want to go and get the boy,i av done my part so please any ideas or u know what button to press then go for it..as i said the end to the story is so near and a hurting,broken heart can av some help in a bit of healing it so deserves Blessings to all …
September 12, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Micky:
You said: “no one listens to me but there is someone out there who wants to hear all im saying”.
Have you tried to contact the Chief Constable or the police there?
Also, in referring to the evidence you and she collected, Pauline said (back on August 31st) that “David Kirwan has the files on how this was discovered scientifically.” Since he is Winnie Johnson’s solicitor, I would think he would definitely want to hear what you have to say.
Another suggestion for you to contact would be Keith’s brother, Alan Bennett. Maybe he would be the best person to contact first, as he would know David Kirwan. Alan searched with Professor John Hunter, the leading forensic archaeologist, some years ago. This was reported in Staff’s book, as Karlo noted. It would be great if you could get Hunter on board. He noted some suggested locations, but Staff reported that there were too many to undertake at that time.
Maybe also try to contact Duncan Staff.
There is also Bernard O’Mahoney, who maintains the website “Find Keith Bennett”, which is dedicated to finding Keith. He has a contact e mail on his website, so perhaps he could help you out in getting the right person’s attention.
Micky, I’m glad you are not giving up and trying to proceed any further on your own without the proper help. It seems like you are SO CLOSE!
September 12, 2008 at 7:14 pm
phoenix ur writing on here is like cream on my strawberries,you uplift me with every word and ur posativeness shines for me.i av mailed bernard before i connected with pauline to get no reply,this was when i first started and my very first post on here.in the early days of this beginning i was so novice and going wereva i feel i would get some help.i even contacted manchester evening news and they put me straight on the crackpot pile.there are so many mediums (many are not though)who ring the police daily saying they know were keith is buried and so understand why the police do not listen to this.i even contacted a reporter who had covered on this story before to which no reply,from this i took it as im meant to go on alone.pauline was the first hand to reach out to me and accept wat i had to give.i av been told a family member will make contact with me,this (which is logged as i was given)was some time back when i was just starting up on my search.i av spoken to david kerwen on phone and he as given some advice upon what i can do and were i can go,but he as his client to think about and i am not his client,he as my home phone number.i give this number out to prove im not a joker or a kidder and that i am true with what i am giving.this speaking to mr kerwen was due to pauline(wateva happened she has helped me a lot)as was me mailing mr giovanni (ignore spelling)about a book i feel Brady as in his cell.i was told the mail was passed on to him but i wouldnt hold my breath on that.
i know police have spent much money on the search for the place of keith and hope maybe 1 word i put or pass on gives whoever is in charge the guts to trust me and to listen to what i av to give.the place i av got to i av managed to boundry it off as i said the dogs in this area (not a big area at that)i feel will get the result we all wait for.
all ur posative writings lift me up so much and are so appreciated,this is the first time i av ever done anything like this,but i know its not my last..so now i just wait for the one person to stand up say “yes” and lets go do it…
September 12, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Micky:
Thanks for your kind words, but I am like as Karlo said: “Micky… I think its great what you’re doing and the rest of us just pontificate about the case…” But if I help to lift your spirits, then I am glad for that at least.
I can imagine the police are full up with crackpots that come forward with information. It is unfortunate that they don’t at least listen, because they are shutting themselves off from some possible good leads. At least they should be recording reported locations to see if there are some claiming the same locations. I hope their motto isn’t “nothing ventured, nothing gained”!
Micky, you said: “i av been told a family member will make contact with me…” Hopefully that means Alan Bennett. I believe he lives in the Manchester area, and I cannot imagine him not wanting to at least meet and speak with you. He evidently is still searching and digging on the moors, so why wouldn’t he want to hear what you have to say?
Keep faith and keep positive, Micky. You seem to know it will happen soon!
September 12, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Karlo the wino here (hic!) agin,
Yeah Phoenix that is a great suggestion about Micky contacting Allan Bennett which could probably be done via the ‘find Kieth’ site that you mention earlier.
For Kieth to be found would be a great thing for Winnie who has been in pain for what must seem an eternity for her would finally find some semblance of peace.
But also that swine Brady would have the ultimate punishment of Kieth being found without his ‘help’. He gets off on his attitude of “I know and you want to know- and I won’t tell you” as explained by the psychiatarist who had sessions with him as cited in the Staff book.
I hope that the old twit has as much admiration for the determination of the Bennett’s and people like Micky as he seems to have for the evil Brady…..
September 13, 2008 at 8:31 am
Good to see the wicked witch of the north has stopped posting, she is nown for going up the moors with many people, tking there info and claiming it for her own, this is how she has got were she is today, and not by her own doing.I can also confirm she has sent many letters to Mr Brady, but he refused to write back to her as he sees her as we say in the midlands, totally off her trolley.Also teh Photographs that were shown to Brad they were not the ones from her friend, they were from a Tony Ainsowrth who still has all the emails of communication to prove this.
Hope this helps you all, it does give you a good laugh this lot lol.
Good on you Micky, your a good lad, and god bless you
September 13, 2008 at 8:57 am
I’ll second that Micky, God Bless you.
September 13, 2008 at 1:05 pm
i just switched on to av a quick look on here before im of to watch the footy at boundry park,latics av mk dons visiting,should be a gd game(for any1 wondering how i afford this on the dole,i cant,i sell tickets to get in free)at this moment i think eat sleep the moors,even on the one time i get out for a drink with friends im in lees and thinking how close to the moors i am.last night i had a message of messages that as put me on a even higher high i was on.if this is teadious to some i appologise but i want to just let u know wat i got last night and to why i am high(not drugs but spiritually)
in the message i got asked if the name doris meaned anything to me and that she was bringing the name terry with her.i dont know or knew any1 of that name or the connection.the medium continued to go on.
then as she carried on the penny dropped,i had mentioned a medium from 1965 and then realised who doris was,but i didnt want to take it that way,but then got no choice as the medium then also realised who this was.”micky its doris stokes” she said
as a medium with L plates on (i only see spirit not hear them)this as been the highlight for me so far,sorry if this is boring to the sceptics but to me its 1 big sign,and i just wanted to share this with any1 who is slightly interested lol.
i mainly wanted to say thanks mark and aholmes for the kind words of encouragement.i accept ppl refusing to believe wat i type and respect ur views on wat u believe
but the words of encouragement lift me up so much so i do mean a huge thank you for this.right im off to the footy av a gr8 day all n ty for the big smile u av put upon my face,u are all helping me to shine bright. blessings xx
September 13, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Mark;
You seem to know something a bit more “behind the scenes” in the ongoing investigation to find little Keith. Any chance you know how to contact Alan Bennett or someone who could help Micky?
September 13, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Micky:
Bernard O’Mahoney makes his contact information available to the public on his website, so I feel it is alright to post it here. Maybe you would have better results trying to phone him. Hopefully, even if you just leave him a message, he will pass your contact info or phone number on to Alan Bennett and/or to someone who can help you.
The following contact information is posted under the “News and Announcements” link through the “Message Board” link on Bernard O’Mahoney‘s website “Find Keith Bennett”:
bernardomahoney.com Forum Index » News & Announcements » Contacting Bernard O’Mahoney
Contacting Bernard O’Mahoney
Anyone wishing to contact Bernard O’Mahoney can do so by mobile: 07878568039 or by email bernard.omahoney@bernardomahoney.com
September 13, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Karlo:
You have done some interesting and much-needed useful work in your geographical profiling, and Professor Canter asked you to join his academy- so I say KUDOS, old chap!
Also, I think you are a very good writer. You have the talent and ability to grasp subjects in a succinct and logical way, which enables the reader to understand and “get the picture” more easily. I guess what I am trying to say is that you can take a complex subject and analyze it in a simple, clear, and comprehensible way- and to me that skill is what defines a really good writer. I still think your “Gates of Janus” review is a classic. I hope you add that to the reviews on Amazon if you haven’t already.
So far I have to agree with all those who say Brady is not going to be of any help in finding Keith, at least in his lifetime. Harrison said (twenty years ago) that Brady told him he was afraid of what people will find when Keith is found. He is afraid of going to trial again. He is afraid of what people will think of him. But what worse could we think of him than what he is doing to Winnie and her family now?
Harrison said Brady told him that it would all come out after he (Brady) dies. So, I wonder if Brady really has made any kind of useful and truthful written account of all his evil doings- or if that is just more of his unsubstantiated talk.
In view of what I have read and people like Twit say, Brady craves attention. Why doesn’t he realize he would get some HUGE attention if he were to come forth with some truly useful information to help find Keith? It is said that he never offers something for nothing. So how about his favorite mac n’ cheese whenever he wants?
September 14, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Wow this is so encouraging Micky !!! Positivity here at last from those who are posting, the mood has definately changed. I’ts nice to come here and not read backstabbing and untruths for a change !!!
Id just like to say Micky is indeed a good lad and a loyal friend who wouldnt tell an untruth for love nor money, and i am a witness to his journey and can verify all he posts. If those who wish to take what he finds/learns and call it there own so be it, what goes around come around, the truth will out at some point.
Keep smiling mate, as the time draws close the tide is turning, you know what needs to be done, and you will know when the time is right.
Thanks to everyone for your possitivity, it all goes towards a positive outcome.
September 14, 2008 at 12:52 pm
many thanks phoenix i av txt`d bernard as wen i last mailed i got no reply.mark if u could mail me mate that would be quite cool as i av something to ask but cannot do it on here(nothing bad)mclly1@aol.co.uk.i had a nite off last nite and sank a few budds with a friend.even then im still throwing things around my mind.brady and hindley played games and could even pull out a bit of fun.keith didnt go looking for a glove as they said at the times of confession,they took him for a birthday treat,with games and fun and maybe jelly too.all boys love to play and with this is mind keith wouldnt av thought twice but would av sat in the car at ease(this is my approach on this and plz dont take as gospel).All men are big boys at heart we neva grow up fully,or am i just speaking for me lol.to pick up a piece of wood and to hold it to ur chest as in ur imagination this becomes ur rifle,with a vast area to play and hide wat a wonderful game of soldiers u could play…its june summer solstace but a week away so light would be good for some time yet as the sun takes it time to set leaving its orange glow across the skyline as it begins its descent as they day draws to a close..all was well till someone snapped inside..again this is my account only but i do feel it to be right…
something happened with his sock either whilst there or before he left his mother for that fatel last time as she crossed him over the road to his grandmas..i say this because i keep getting asked about a sock??
all my messages i av are printed and these will all become winnies (if she wishes to keep them)i also need to ask who is `kenny and phylis`this again must be for winnie….blessings xxx
September 14, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Pheonix,
thanks for your kind words once again but as I’ve said in an earlier post, I am low down in the food chain as far as crime analysis is concerned.
Criminality even on a lower level of seriousness than the serial killer profiling malarky is always interesting and when one contributes to problem solving leading to communities being a bit safer then it’s always a good feeling.
possibly in the future I will work on more serious cases but in terms of the moors and Brady, I think that geographical profiling is useful but ultimatly would not help in locating Kieth.
If the world’s leading forensic archeologist could not locate Kieth then it brings the limitation of science into sharp focus here.Maybe a joint effort with some forensic knowledge and maybe Micky will be the answer.
If Micky can contact Allan Bennett who worked with Prof J Hunter then the search radius could be narrowed which may help to give Micky a psychic revelation or something similar.
I’ve noticed that Pauline hasn’t posted of late and I wonder why this is? I think the more contributers on this page the better.
Laterz all…..
September 15, 2008 at 1:35 pm
for the attention of Ian Stewart Brady:when u created ur “garden of god” u did the same as u did on the first location.u seperated the victims in to 2 diffenent areas.maybe this is like the old school system or was u segragated from a mixed school.i now av both locations and its now a matter of time before the next key to the door is unlocked,this is the last door.
as i av said al along keith isn`t alone up there.this is his fear as was said to Harrison.he will not be taken to trail for keith but will for the others.is this what fears the system,the turning of many stones.in no way am i aving a go at any1 here the police and all involved av worked so hard to close this case,manpower time and personal efforts too.every police officer, volunteer unselfishly searching the barren land for the 1 clue that is so hard to find.please listen as i av the clue,trust me.
i will work with whoever this takes to get keith to where his mum wishes him to be,to see him av the teddy bear that awaits him.
any1 watching,give me 1 chance,listen to what i av to say and to every single person out there who is digging,searching and praying these are the ones to bless,as i said the storys end is coming xx
September 16, 2008 at 11:12 pm
If Brady confesses now, he probably won’t be taken to trial. But if the bodies are discovered without his help, he probably will be taken to some sort of trial.
Here in the USA we have what is called a civil trial (not the same as the criminal trial), in which the victims are awarded a monetary settlement from the perp. Do you have something similar there? If so, Winnie and the other victims’ families could be awarded everything Brady owns- cash, investments- any and all assets- EVERYTHING.
I think it would be in his best interest to come forward now. But he probably won’t, because he is too paranoid and is (and always has been) only intelligent in a very few small, chosen areas- this due to some sort of autism or mental deficiency. I believe he is incapable of seeing the BIG PICTURE.
September 17, 2008 at 10:24 am
contact with bernard o mahoney as been made and i believe ceased there.with about 10 people claiming to be mediums contacting him evry week u can understand his not wanting to hear it,so he is not the way forward needed,but what a fantastic job he as done in the site he created for keith…and ty pheonix for bringing this to my attention all help is thankfully recieved…theres not much more i can say,i sit and wait now.clues i give i hope ring home for who needs to understand it…
September 17, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Micky:
Gosh, so frustrating! Professional scientists like Hunter haven’t been able to find Keith, and people like police and O’Mahoney are turning a deaf ear to psychics and mediums. It seems like someone should at least try to separate “the chaff from the wheat”!
There was a “Steve”, who posted comments on this page back on August 8th and 9th. He said that his “family have lived in the area for over 200 years” and that they know Winnie well. Go back and read his posts.
Here is an excerpt from one of his posts:
Steve Says:
August 8, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“Micky i can understand how you feel, there are many out there looking for Keith with there tales and claims, go with your heart and write everything down you receive.
May be one day if Keith is found you can say, hey what i got was correct, thats the real deal of it all…
As for Winnie, bless her,my family know her well, she knows Keith will never be found, and she is aware of the nutters that are out there, i must say it gives her a good laugh.None of you understand how she feels, but i will say she would rather believe a medium than a scientist”
So, STEVE, if you are out there, can you help Micky get in touch with Alan Bennett?
October 18, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Hi… Anyone out there?
I used to be “Interested in Phoenix”, but lost all my programs… so now using my real name.
Micky, Pauline, Karlo, Holmes, and all: Are you still around?
I’m wondering if there is any new news over there!
October 19, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Hi there Nancy, Holmes here…as far as I know, there doesn’t seem to be anything to report. I haven’t heard a thing relating to the case in many weeks now.
October 19, 2008 at 6:06 pm
hi nancy and holmes nice to hear from you again i thought everyone had desserted
October 19, 2008 at 8:23 pm
hi all so sorry for not posting but av had nothing to add.nothing new at all to report,but av not given up just looking at new angles at the moment.but as i know more i will let u all know and hello nancy so sorry bout ur pc its a nitemare wen it happens speak soon Micky xx
October 20, 2008 at 8:55 am
Don’t loose faith Micky
October 20, 2008 at 10:22 am
thanks Aholmes,support is so much appreciated and bless for all the wonderful support u av all given..trust me i do av faith and although silent at the moment i av in no way stopped searching..i cant post nothing new coz i dont av it to give..all i ask is for every1 to keep Keith in their minds and also All who continue to keep searching for him..as i av said before he WILL be found
blessings to all, Micky xx
October 20, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Hi Holmes and Pat.
It’s so good to know you’re still around!
Hi Micky:
So glad to hear you have not given up! I’m sure we are all keeping positive thoughts!
Thanks for your sympathy, Micky, about my computer. It’s my own gosh darn fault for not having a better antivirus program (I thought I had a good one) and doing proper backup. I was able to retrieve my files, but lost all my programs- many of which I use for business. So I have to reinstall everything- very frustrating and time consuming!
However, I now have an excellent antivirus program, webroot, which includes online backup- pretty cool, because you can access your files from any computer anywhere in the world. Webroot was highly recommended to me by the computer geek squad who fixed my PC, and it is available in the UK.
I’m saying all this to hopefully warn anyone out there who does not have a good backup program so you will not end up having this happen to you like it did to me!
October 21, 2008 at 12:52 pm
You are most welcome, Micky. Glad to hear that you haven’t lost heart, despite the lack of progress.
Glad you’re back Phoenix
October 23, 2008 at 1:46 pm
the hardest part of all of this is the fact it as been done spiritually and not science etc,this causes a view which i myself would av given 3 years back.the information i am given is something you cannot walk into a police station and ask them to follow these clues.id be carted off to the nearest mental institute n wiv my luck be in the room next to brady lol.i am learning patience and knbow i av to wait for the timing to be right and to dismiss all ideas i was given by someone that effected my own thinking and rationalising.
I gave out a trust to someone to find they was not all they was telling me but we must make a mistake to learn a lesson,and i av learned mine well.
keith was hidden away well for a reason and his being located was NOT on the agenda of the people involved in the crime.i want to say someone as had 44 years of freedom they know they should ov neva had.all will come out wen the time is right.
so i just wanna say i av not written much cos i couldnt as the tale as not increased anymore to tell,but please be ready for the time for me to tell the tale in a wider angle arrives and i will say `shouldn`t be long`
blessings to all Micky xx
October 23, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Micky: What you report is very interesting. Also, I am sorry you have been misled in the past by a person you thought you could trust. I admire your faith and persistence. I am heartened to know you are keeping on the path. You carry the blessings of all of us who want little Keith to be found. I trust time will unfold the truth and HE WILL BE FOUND!
November 16, 2008 at 7:15 pm
as i browse through the pages of The Gates of Janus i can see wat years of incarceration av created…evry1 is looking in the pages for clues he does not want to share..wat or WHO caused him to lock away a secret for so many years…Janus the roman god with two faces..maybe its time for Ian Brady to allow the second of his faces to talk…i am at the Gates and as i stand there i am singing `you`ll never walk alone` its time to talk Ian as Roy orbison sang `its over` in a time when the Beatles conquered the world in a new era as the Merseybeat hit your ears …..
November 18, 2008 at 9:44 am
Ian has so little left to hold over our heads Micky, to share with the police what he knows…however little, would be to loose control, loose what power he has. He is now an old man, whether he feels remorse for what he did or not, he is all to aware of the waste of his own life…the missed opportunities and lost experiences.
November 19, 2008 at 11:46 am
i am so angry,no its not angry,its frustration as for the life of me get anybody to listen to what i am trying to say.after hours of my nose stuck in books and endless searching for clues that are there we are just missing them.i av found many many clues and can now piece together wat i believe happened and how their minds were working at the time..the code is there for all to see..i dont need brady to talk as i can do all the talking for him but i feel he will as u said aholmes
he is loosing his power and will try to recover something back he will know is slipping away..i av tried to contact the local newspaper but they too seem like they dont want to listen even as i av given them the evidence as i see it in front of me..
ok i av now gotten that of my chest lol ty for listening…if anyone as any advice on where i can go plz say as i am listening to all but plz note as i said earlier `i dont do giving up` blessings to all
Micky xxx
November 19, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Hi Holmes and Micky and all:
I still check here almost every day to see if there is any news. I was thinking that the weather there must be getting too prohibitive for ground searches- is that so?
Micky, so sorry for your frustration- totally understandable! What about Duncan Staff- have you tried reaching him? I believe he writes, or used to write, for the Guardian. Also, what about that farmer who owns a property on the moors? I remember reading an interview he did with a newspaper there about the search for Keith.
Are the police still active on this case? Is anyone doing anything?
Geeeesh!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 9:17 am
The harsh truth of it is, Keith Bennett is dead and therefore isn’t the priority.
That child deserves a proper burial, his mother deserves the opportunity to lay her son to rest.
God Bless them!
November 21, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Bless you Aholmes you are so spot on,his mum does deserve the opportunity to lay her son to rest and i am trying so hard to push for this to happen soon..i av always stated that i do understand ppl thinking `what a crackpot` bit i am giving evidence now with what i am saying.When we find Keith he will NOT be alone,this as also been stated by Brady during the interviews with Fred Harrison in the book `genesis of the moors murders` were when asked about Myras bid for freedom he replies with “what we av done we should be locked up for 100 years…” (quoted from my head sorry so not exact wording)..they got 10 years for the 3 murders they were charged with totalling 30 years originally so without using rocket science this tells you he is saying 10 murders.so we are looking for Keith and 5 more which are in the garden they created and NOT the location upon the open bleak moorland where the others where found…i av so much to tell and am now waiting for the right person to come along and listen..hopefully they will come along soon ..blessings to all Micky xx
December 1, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Steve you have stated you know the family well, can you ask them to look at this web site and draw there own conclusions about micky and all the work that he has done on finding keith, i feel sure if they get in touch with micky they would want to see him and hear how it all came about and this is the way forward now on bringing keith home this story sound unbelievable i myself would also think what a load of old rubbish but i ask myself what is there to loose in listening to Micky`s story or if anyone else knows the family Micky has left his phone no on this site so they can contact him
December 10, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Tony has the ego and identity of a theatrical dame has he not?
The place is sealed, and she knows it. The last clue has come and now it is time. Pauline knows that and so does Winnie. All the reports are in her hands as to the searches by all. The reflection is now known as to what she says. Paul has been a huge help in this.
December 10, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Badlooser:
Please explain what you mean in your above post.
And who is “Tony”?
December 10, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Yes, please do explain.
December 10, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Hi badlooser,
Please explain what you mean who is Paul and Tony, I think you have lost us all on what you have stated.
December 11, 2008 at 9:07 am
He and they know who they are.
Paul. Now Paul is a very clever soul, he is honest.
Does have a medical condition that needs healing.
Does have the angle on this thing.
Does not want to be here himself.
Is a real person. Has a real name.
He reads here and does not post as does the family and connections to that family.
The person as Tony is perhaps on the other side now, or thinking of it. Perhaps he is gone for good, perhaps the many names he makes on chat and message boards is senility as Mikey suggests in his own way.
Legends is the place you will find some and not others. Paul included when he is well, and atop the same rock that Ian wants to climb.
Ian cannot reply here of course.
Only one person knows the word stated and he is being tested for his commitment and ways back into the fold as to testimonials of worth.
I repeat ‘Paul’ has been a huge help in all this. The illumination is clear from this high mountain. One other knows this and she sits silent of course with the other. Meanwhile I go and lick stamps with fervour as the clock ticks on.
Merry Christmas from the ‘badlooser’.
December 11, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Oh well that makes things about as clear as mud !
The postings do remind me of someone who used to post regularly in cryptic yet lyrical style. Why come here and be cryptic..why hide. why not say what is to be said in a way as to not confuse those who have an interest in the postings here…. is this attention seeking …maybe who knows.
Micky (not mikey) i am interested to know when you have accused someone of senility or similar traits as i have only seen positivity from you and knowing you as i do i cannot see you doing this.
Am i confused… maybe.. but talking in riddles helps no-one and certainly will not help the search for little Keith and will not help his family one jot.
December 11, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Could this be the catalyst for the Moors Murders asks this man. Well I will have to ask Ian that.
Photographs are a very good tool with the right image enhancement software. Found this in US. My silence has been one that I was advised of,but as I am now eight years into this thing and 20K spent on this I am not about to let it go. No reward other than academic integrity is desired. I do not want fame, infamy or fortune or television appearances or to make myself a celebrity whatever.
Others obviously do. Challenging is the two drawings of Christine’s where the one on another case fits this exactly and I measured the paremeters today.
But a contact called and I am to meet again on a very high ridge as a summit meeting. I am grateful for those persons contacting me and giving me something for a change and that is very unusual indeed. This use of technology comes at a very interesting moment.
I can now wear my steel boots and do what I have to do with them with me.
Here is the clip of the prior film on a Moors Murder shown in 1960, scroll down this man’s site and you will see the stills as he has got it wrong, the film is not showing Wessenden Head, nor would it as it would have the Isle of Sky Inn at that junction.
Only a moron would kill a lad and place him near the very name is connotative of his belonging and patronage by the bus then. Ian and Myra for that reason would not use this location which would lead to their being hanged before the death penalty was demolished.
Knowing geology and marine science you cannot teach it to a novice in a day as to practical and there are some good tips on what not to do here too.
http://www.levyboy.com/Body2.jpg
December 11, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Hmmmm……
Regarding “Paul”- Perhaps Badlooser is referring to Paul Reade (Pauline Reade’s brother).
December 11, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Perhaps the “Tony” Badlooser referred to is Tony Ainsworth, who “Mark” mentions in his post back on September 13, 2008.
December 12, 2008 at 9:16 am
Bubbly_these most recent postings also remind me of someone who used to post here regularly…Pauline…
December 12, 2008 at 2:04 pm
AHolmes i tend to agree. The way the posts are constructed…and micky refered to as mikey makes me thinks so. Shame she feels she cant post as herself …if this is who it is, as her posts have been most intriguing in the past.. if not a litle off the wall and confusing at times !
Micky … the tides turning and the pieces are fitting together nicely all you need now is to find the glue…
December 12, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Certainly the scentence construction is certainly very similar Bubbly.
December 18, 2008 at 1:19 am
Paul Reade died in 2004 from a brain tumour, he was 56 years old.
Badlooser is Paula Badger who is mad as a hatter,Tony Ainsowrth is still alive and kicking, good man to trust regarding the Moors.steve Much is a friend of Winnies, winnie does not come on here, and nor does her family, spoke to Alan yesturday about the site, he is Keiths brother.
Poor Micky has a huge heart, great guy, his rewards will not go unforgotten.
December 19, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I now have the team. I will do what others have failed to do, and are classed by police as subversives as they told me. Boycott this silly old twit, Ian does not care. Scientifically I have the information to do ethically what others produce as sham information as cold reading, or worse. I am after all a clan of Ireland.
Someone just get off their backsides and find the lad instead of pontificating behind single names of none persons. Come and reveal yourself. If Alan Bennett knows of the farmer he knows that my work is seven years not weeks, and for no gain. I have given and those have taken, but again it is about recovery not folk tales.
December 19, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Have you stopped censoring me Silly Old Twit????
December 19, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Chris, the farmer was with a noted individual that day when Mikey and I were there, hours later the dawn saw that the place was not right by me. I had the hospitality of the Railway Inn and the continued acceptance and thought really thought that Ian Brady had taken up the challenge after hearing the news after arriving home late at night. Exams and memberships afford a recognition, it is easy to dowse using a prop and be a dowser, myself I employ them as I employ others by doing at the age of 61 manual seasonal labour to be able to reward those who walk beside a disabled spinal injuries person who cannot even get in her own car. Yes, the fall from the train door tore me in more ways than one. Yet not one has found the lad, not one has come up with the goods as it were. But I bear no malice as I was sought out as others were to provide an opportunity.
It is my quest geologically sound that the location searched and relayed to professional recovery persons can be excavated to see if my report to those official agencies and spokesperson for Winnie can be elaborated on in a replicable manner. I am greateful for those behind the scenes for this and the continued seven year quest started along with others that have bore fruit. Strange to name me in terms of mental illness, as those who have it feel they have to externalise it on others. I do not take tablets, medication or other forms of control of my cognition.
But I have and have had one wish. That someone else would find the remains of Keith Bennett. I am sure they will. Do it well and ethically, not like digging up a potato, seek advise. Please.
Find evidence of his grave on the Moor is all I ask and have asked, for myself that is my pilgrimage.
December 19, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Pauline:
It is good to see you back! I have missed your comments and contributions here, and I’m glad to hear you are still dedicated to finding Keith.
Is the weather there too prohibitive for any ground searches this time of year? Are you still in the area or back up in the Lake District?
December 20, 2008 at 12:15 am
Dear All
I am informed I’m taking some flack here so I think I should reply
With 14 years and a month researching the moors it was only yesterday i realised a truth told to a friend about two years ago. Keith Bennett does not want to be found, he wants the other victims found before he is.
I’ve heard practically every report and the fact remains GMP receive 25 phone calls a week with information about the moors or directly from KB and have done for over forty years. This makes the individual psychic look very poor, but if there is a reason that KB he is behind the sensing the locations of others it makes some type of sense
The psychic detective approach for many reasons does not do research which is a valid point but that leaves what’s missing in the search for KB is fact any normal search should be based on.
The bad news is the facts have never been reported because journalists never did the research and GMP have tried desperately to cover up the facts ever since the 86 search was forced on GMP by the director of public prosecutions. I would advise any one looking at the case to try to wade through Beyond Belief but it must be the hard copy. You don’t actually need to read the entire drivel just look at the picture of the note and line five Topping never mentions in his book but his search was based on..
You then need to read Topping and Genesis to expose the fairy tale Toppings autobiography is. Its alleged Topping got 250.000 advance in 89 for this fairy tale that ends on his last day on the force telling Winnie he searched every inch of the moor and the reason he never found Keith was animals had eaten his bones. Not he searched the wrong place. He drove past the right place every morning he searched but hey everyone gets obsessed
If KB is responsible for so many seeming wild goose chases in his attempt to highlight the fact there are other victims this must be taken in consideration by those he visits and he must be confronted . He has to see the chaos this creates from good intention. Those of us that know the case and the police errors won’t forget the other victims but there is little in all consciousnesses that we can do that’s really acceptable to us its catch 22
In Mickys’ case Keith has told him about me and I know by research he is in the wrong area for Keith but there are victims there. The site of the 17 year old boy affects me very badly and i thought it was the boy but now suspect it could be Keith as he led others to believe it was his grave site. Not the 17 year old boy’s
Betwixt and between was a hundred feet the searchers got distracted or Keith didn’t know the exact location. The dogs are indifferent and unemotional, I have never seen or heard a dog lie or have ego. Every location I have pointed out the dogs have reacted to and that reason is simple because there is a burial pattern ALL serial killers follow in victim disposal. The question is why because if the pattern is predictable the next question is it could be prevented. That’s why I spent fourteen years looking for the answer.
There are far easier bodies to find than Keith due to his real location with a better chance of remains but then what. Nothing is learned the case gets closed and it’s seemingly over. That nearly happened at the 17 ear old boy site and seemingly something Keith is trying to avoid.
The truth of the moors West Ipswich M1 murders Baton Rouge Green river Killings and many other cases has a a simplicity and commonality. In the moors case this commonality could have been learned and many since might not have died but there is the catch 22.
If Topping hadn’t made the catalogue of errors he did KB would have been found, case closed. I would never got involved and never learned anything, what I learned prevents Cancer gastrointestinal disorders bacterial infection electrolyte imbalance DNA damage and cataracts. I work today as a healer of people and places that’s my legacy of Keith and the others. My tribute to those that did die is in the research there deaths promoted that will save many lives and much suffering.
The EEC have been working in the same area on what’s called MT or magneto telluric energy and have proposed a directive to The HSE for elimination of MT in the workplace but the facts are they are in every home just as ionising radiation is, on the moors I leaned how to make IR and MT benign. At this time that makes me a silly old twit until the research is published and the moors or its murders won’t be in it.
To those who carry on searching I advise patience and some reality checks, don’t let it consume you as it did me. It still hurts and still haunts but time makes it easier, you have great opportunities to learn if you don’t become blinkered or obsessed. Question everything and take nothing for granted.
As for you Mickey we will hopefully meet early in the New Year. I have a day out on the moor planned and you’re invited.
Best Tony
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December 20, 2008 at 1:57 am
Tony:
It was good to hear your report. Thank you very much! And thank you for all your efforts and dedication over the years!
I am still trying to take it all in. I don’t know whether it is encouraging or discouraging- I guess a bit of both.
I hope you will keep us posted with, well…just anything at all about all this.
And GOOD LUCK to you and those who continue to search.
December 20, 2008 at 11:32 am
Then Tony as you met my cousin Alan you know this quest can kill both of us as aged specimens and that Brady has said to me from Giovanni that he does not know where he is. That others are there I do not comprehend. I did take this man Michael who told the farmer then in June that he was not the medium, that he listened to others, this was recorded. Not one time did this man you are to go with lead me to believe he had any psychic ability,in contrast he was a perfect student understanding complex details on my phone calls to him that he took up. Each route and there were many did not inspire any visual or psychic introduction as to where the grave of any victim lay. Only for me where they could not.
I knew that as you had dug by Rimmon Pit as shown to the exact spot that as to my height and the groughs and cloughs he was not there, not a Rimmon Pit where the route is down as to supply the map drawn.
In sharing my new found research with this person I rang after the arbivorists here confirmed the lightening struck tree that might be said to come from some seance or drawing that is and was not apparent. That you gave me the same urgency as to your endeavours is obvious. But I cannot dig or use a dog, and am gifted as those know and a reluctant gifted person as there are so many who are out for the fame of it, that others have gained by time and experience.
I have neither, nor do I do readings or conjure up images at will. I was given signs and images that Micky will confirm as to the light on a picture I could not see from my grandmother who I never saw in life, but who was and is my guardian angel and inspires my zeal in lace and fine china still.
That Keith is not wanting to be found is perhaps because of the silence of one person, and that is not Ian Brady.
I mentioned the sentence above as Giovanni informed me in terms that Ian Brady has not long to live, and I share this with an Open Source audience here as to his reply to end his silence now that I have on a photograph a suspicious marker that came from a chance look again on my seven years of taking and having taken photographs of dry stone walls as a landowner myself. Learning how to understand them is then simple, what is not is what this is and from who’s hand.
I suspect this to be an indicator and not the location due to the seen images of this place before. Too many tourists, and too much activity. I therefore suspect that this might be the catche of lost coins that metal detectors are looking for, or some historic marker of the 19th century due to new information and archival evidence. Not once in these trips did anyone show or display any paranormal activity. It was a walk independantly where each took their own walk to a path of their own. On my return that day I had Micky place the rounded stones random as I knew he would.
But I still have the only images of it before he did that. I still bear no ill feeling as he was a perfect student to take up complex geological and historical data and take them on to others. He promised me and urged me to ‘tell no one’ and yet I had to plead for him to tell a certain set of ‘mediums’ not to relay as they were the location when claiming it as a psychic led mission of theirs. It was not.
To those who know me I pay my own hotel bills, and petrol, sustenance, and software, cameras and supplies as my able bodied landscapers here know. I paid a qualified dowser who is successful and a senior member last year, a metal detecting team, a range of forensic photographers, and those photographers who gave their expertise freely.
I have not met a man called Tony, and do not wish to interfere with his location, or to become in a race and a pitted battle as some have placed me in. I have one foe.
That is Ian Brady. He is only in it to play one off against the other as he will do. Hence he plays games that those who have been on proper ‘exercises’ can play better.
I was told by Michael then that my psychic gifts would return, and that is the most factual statement he made. I am also indebted to the drivers and those who carried me over the Moor with tender hands for an old lady who cannot surmount the groughs and cloughs. I would give them a job and a testimonial any day.
Some want to use persons who trudge on the Moor for cold readings or financial gain. I thought that my invitation clearly seen on here was for good and from a novice with no preset psychic ability or agenda. I still think that God has a reason for my immersion into those who are out to hurt me knowing full well how much this has taken out of me. My quest is to pass on what is historical detail as I have done.
I did not ask to see a vision when talking to someone, or it be construed as it was. It was making a point.
I saw in front of me a glass, no tumbler of wine, white wine late at night, a silent ill lit room. There were white tablets on a table, three of them and a mark on them. Now I do not and did not know what they mean, and late that night in the dark I relayed this as my own fear as tablet phobic from an earlier event in my own life. I was urged to say the name. Now I am not a person claiming to be psychic.
The letter I read was enough to make that vision a meaningfull one, maybe it was my own aversion to tablets and drink from a prior disaster, maybe it was a warning from spirit I do not know. I know only that I get as Micky knew the image of Myra and a scene at the end of the Olympics and there she appeared, not how I expected or even saw. But he relayed it to me from what I told him as a sense of something she would engineer from the grave at the Olympics.
I now have the scene of the Elephant on the Royal Variety show as to that seen image of an event to be the sign of a new challenge in the Heavens, as that of like the Chinese New Year in dragons of man in a costume and cymbols. When with some late prayers I saw the elephant as men or women under this moving articulated ceremony of Lion King I am told was the sequence I knew.
I share it with Tony as I do not understand it. But Michael knows the spectre of Myra occurred and he rang me to say I had been right and the nation was aghast at this end of Olympics finale. So that was no one else that had this ‘premonition’ or some other force. Think what you will.
To the end I visit and sit in wet churchyards and have many other cases and persons who consult me scientifically and I learn by sheer prayer as I am dyslexic and disphasic so those who challenge others speech patterns do so in derogatory remarks to persons who try and conquer stigma’s of learning disabilities. It does mean I can use the code of Saussurian sociolinguistics as to what is a trait in conversation analysis of Sack’s foundation.
It means I do not read minds, do seances, use group voices, or talk to the dead. It means I am sensitive to criticism as one gifted as a near death survivor three times over I am told. I cannot revile anyone that is genuinely gifted and that shows that hand first off.
I have many such contacts in that arena.
It is my prayer that if it be Tony Ainsworth that has a dog, and the skills he used in 1986 with another that he will do so with the same dedication to what I would do. He will be doing me a favour. I do not want to die on the Moor or be taken off in a stretcher. But the challenge is there and I hope my team of army men in January do not clash with others. My team are ready to assist as I cannot. When?
Only police will know and those who’s permission I have to ask as to the task in hand. That is vital and I have it. Let integrity reign and I hope that the deceptions I have suffered are from a bad ger that is not a loos er person. I used the term bad looser as my account was censored, as Micky was in posts some time ago.
My use of the term is to denote to Ian that I am a bad looser in cards or in any game as I bounce back like a ball and play chess very well. Perhaps he sees this in my unpacking his own internalisation of angst and of intrigue.
I only know if he wants me to take his ashes to Glasgow and it means me having the end of this to send to police who have the skills of recovery I will do so. I will take the hurts, insults and rage to be the one that carries his ashes well away from the Moors, and away from Myra and her ashes. Never will they share England in Unity. So do as you will. Find him.
I will be taking my steel toe capped boots to Heaven with me at this rate, so please honour a mother who waits to find where her son really rests and honour those who try for sound reasons of integrity.
‘There is no money in this’, that is certain. Only moving back to let those who can reveal what is lost and what is lost that should not be found. That is what is not going on here. ‘Voices’ come as to those who take the information and make it their own unvoiced claims for psychic giftedness. I am in contact with those who need to know, and will do their very best to take this burden of the quest from me at this time of what is in that pile of eight stones, or is it a marker as paces to another place with another set of eight?
I think the latter now due to the measurements taken and the route that has all that Tony Ainsworth displayed on his website of features Ian Brady wanted to see. There is one that is not mentioned that he wanted to find.
My open source is to ouste that lurker who is here, who has the answers not in a medium or open circle. God is now saying of humble unity and of open honesty instead of careers of stars of one form or another. I shun the camera except when it has a purpose or I have to get an award as to inspire others. Photogenicity is not one of my best qualities as an elderly grandmother with a stooped back and pain in the night as nocturnal student and reader of science and others work in the academic world till dawn.
December 20, 2008 at 2:10 pm
I’ve said since 1994 KB is in Greenfield Brook. The evidence I have is at http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/geofizz11/SaddleworthMoor03#
the film of the dog search for Keith is on Utube http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TIwnGxVlMfY and the 17 year old boy is at
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=W-wS-IShYkE&feature=related
At my age trips to Greenfield stopped about two years ago I can’t see my return as there are far easier places to look for victims.
Best Tony
December 20, 2008 at 9:57 pm
It seems from Tony’s and Pauline’s posts that those who have been involved in the search for Keith are coming together and pooling their resources, or at least are willing to. This is very encouraging! It seems there is to be a large search on the Moors sometime in January.
I would like to ask Tony who the “17 year old boy” is who is presumed buried on the Moors.
I would like to ask Pauline who “Michael” is.
Also, Pauline, could you comment more on what you mean when you said: “That Keith is not wanting to be found is perhaps because of the silence of one person, and that is not Ian Brady.”
Also, Pauline, you said: “I think the latter now due to the measurements taken and the route that has all that Tony Ainsworth displayed on his website of features Ian Brady wanted to see.” Where is this website of Tony’s?
December 21, 2008 at 1:15 am
The 17 year old boy Brady says he killed for a friend was supposed to get rid of a car for Brady that was extremely hot The friend was Philip Deare and the boy didn’t dispose of the car but was arrested three months later joyriding in it. If the boy mentioned Brady he was done for re the crime the car was involved in so Brady certainly and Deare possibly killed him. Deare went pear shaped shortly after this incident and committed suicide which upset Brady quite a bit as it was possibly his only male friend in the world. Hindley had no involvement it was before there relationship started.
Web site gone done dusted no interest. Big search in January NO I’m visiting my son a 500 mile round trip so I will do the extra hundred for a few hours more on the moor. I have a little unfinished business there and want to make a clean break that’s the New Year resolution again gone west.
I will take Mickey up if he wants to go and if he don’t that’s fine as well. There’s no more money to hire the dog teams or the others. A great deal of information has passed through my office in the past week which is usual when I say it’s the last time I’m going and something always comes up to stop me stopping.
I can’t work with Paula as I can’t understand a sentances its that simple nothing personal I have little patience and if I lose interest I lose interest fast. I have a theory it never gets better, it hasn’t as far as I’m concerned. I feel it might have got worse
To me science usually has simplicity and if your science is geology. Gilberts De Magnetic Maxwell’s theory of Terrestrial Magnetism and Schumann with Balser and Wagner are good places to start to see the mistakes made that many swallowed hook line and sinker.
Terrestrial magnetism was around a few millennia before Gilbert a fact science hasn’t caught on to yet which costs billions in wasted health care and affects crime levels in society. Persingers experiments should be thrown in the equation and at some point it needs to be accepted that Brady was suffering mental illness. I find the fact his near neighbour ( two doors away) Alfred Bailey was convicted of killing children in his home in 1964 and both houses were owned by the same landlord. The case is only connected by place.
Its ok saying Saddleworth moor but place is specific/ lamb knoll were Keith is sends shudders down the spine for me at least but brady never knew the place name as far as I’m aware. The modern sites of the killer’s homes reek havoc on the occupants and what stands near and always did. Why is the modern estate a problem or the physical or mental health prognosis of any one living there dire. Not learning the lessons Saddleworth moor teaches is one answer, but there are more.
Every local authority in Europe is monitoring the HSE directive on MT and doing absolutely nothing about it until it’s enforced. That’s the green light for compensation claims running into trillions local authorities can’t pay but are hoping to direct back to the EEC because it was their idea to enforce the HSE law in the first place.
These are good intentioned people that don’t know anything about TM or its effects are strongest during darkness and increased by moon activity and season. If you spend more time at work than you do at home you might have a claim but if you sleep between 10 and 7 you’re stuffed.
Treating symptoms without treating cause is a fools exercise, if a place caused cancer treat the place as well as the cancer, its that simple if you want remission, If you can’t afford Avastin for a few extra months of life treat the MT in the place you live in.
Irritable bowel MRSA benign tumours cataracts DNA damage electrolyte imbalance all has one cause. No one treats the cause because they don’t know how. That’s what I learned on the moor to treat causes, that’s the only reason why I go back.
December 22, 2008 at 1:58 am
Tony:
Thanks for answering my question about the friend of Philip Deare.
Also, my apologies for jumping to any conclusions about a search on the Moors in January. I guess just wishful thinking on my part.
Your work involving MT is very interesting. I’m not sure what it is all about. Is there a website that explains more about it for unscientific people like me? I would be interested in learning more about MT and the kind of work you do.
You said: “Its ok saying Saddleworth moor but place is specific/ lamb knoll were Keith is sends shudders down the spine for me at least but brady never knew the place name as far as I’m aware.” Are you pretty sure that this is where Keith is buried?
I saw part of a program the other night about a new search for bodies presumed buried on the Hahn Ranch (in the desert outside of LA), occupied by Manson and his gang for a while in the 60’s. There are at least three bodies that are thought to be buried near a creek on the property. According to a former Manson informant, the bodies are believed to be buried at least eight feet underground. Anyway, various dogs all alerted to the same spots, one spot in particular under a tree near the creek. But the creek evidently overflows at times during the winter rainy season, which could or would cause the bodies underground to be carried 12 to 15 feet away. The dogs, however, all alerted to what is believed to be the original burial spot near the tree where the bodies went into the ground. So they are using some other kind of device to monitor the ground nearby. They are unable to take any heavy equipment onto the site due to its remoteness and lack of access to get any large equipment in.
So, I am thinking this is kind of ironic, as the Manson horrors were over forty years ago also, and a search for bodies is now back on. I wish this were happening on the Moors to find Keith (and possibly others) there. I will try to find out the company that is doing the search, as I only caught part of the program.
I commend you, Tony, for all the healing work and research you do. I hope your trip to see your son goes well. And if you happen to meet up with Micky on the Moors, I wish you both the best.
December 24, 2008 at 11:13 pm
MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE!
Pray for LOVE & PEACE in 2009
December 26, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Merry Christmas Tony,
We do not need the dogs and only the location that Norie knows and Duncan Staff knows is in ALL the photographs. It is very near the drawing of Christine Hamlett Walsh and my ‘reflections’ have come to be what I waited for. I now know how to tackle this as do the team who came as a surprise of experts who can do this for me, and with me.
A New Year spells the end for Ian Brady in a way he cannot even think of. An avalanche, no a main bridge that collapses is disturbing me like the other disasters. It will be soon and in a tourism country such as India as a mudslide natural disaster, could be any of those countries that are on that border, or Mexico as I see those images since dawn.
A leading figure will die in the New Year, cannot say which one. It is male and is not old person. I cannot say this is right as I am given it from angels.
Keith, another soul is showing me a concrete slab with engraved figures on it and Christine is to know where that is as does Tracy and Toni. I am sure that his coming Year of 2009 what you relay will reveal the injustice of centuries of lost souls. I have read with interest the book on Dowsing my Tom Williamson and much enlightened. My sciences are geological, marine, industrical archaeology, earch sciences, and at post graduate level, ancient history of science, technology and medicine to include the analysis of geographical profiling in Prai da Luz and others, plus cognitive, and psychopathy by O Hare. I am now a student of Brent Turvey in Criminal Profiling as a PhD proposed student.
My thoughts are to be as scientists are ever dynamic in any language. My mentor passed and is still with me. As to the grave of Keith, it will not go away, it is sound as they say. Peace and light and wish us well or whoever takes the dignified route and addresses the plight of Alan West and Winnie for any monetary reward from books or media as I have done in my legal capacity.
Winnie, hold on. You know we are to try again.
As for Madeleine McCann, it is in the Heavens a new piece of evidence will come to light from Carla Baron’s photos and my reply to her. I hope she comes home alive for 2009, what more can I ask.
Thanks only to God for my gift and unrelenting treck, and those who mock or tell me to keep going.
Good Health to you all, and my Lakeland candle on the fells sits high for you lit by myself by the banks of Lake Windermere. Ian will die this coming year as he wants and not in a way he wants. Fate and illness are unavoidable. And so is justice for those who have been unlawfully killed and got away with it over time.
Peace to all.
December 28, 2008 at 10:05 am
Nancy, the irrigated Manson ruin shows lush vegetation as the pomegranite tree. Under this structure will be a fissure of a fault zone. The ranch seen is of a construction that is elevated and has to have access under the ranch for a well that is capped. I would say to find if and where followers are contained, the ranch will have to be taken down by the porch access unit. I note there is a swimming Pool and the spelling of the ranch is wrong. The real one is showing in the season a mirage of faunal beauty in contrast to the outer perimeter. Charles Manson kept his enemies closer and that means his sick mind would have let the followers tunnel for them.
Manson killed Sharon Tate and her baby in an act of Caligula proportions. A very clever mind that had some knowledge of cave dwelling and irrigation. Follow that lead and you will see the ranch in the desert has more to discover below it. Something fed the plants other than an aquifer, or channelled irrigation source. That is animal or human remains or both. I would advocate going in via the guest house to the right and sloping to the pomegranite root system below. But that is my scientific hat on as geological observations of fault zone and aquifer systems from ancient civilisations as observed phenomena.
A safe and Happy New Year to all everywhere.
December 29, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Hi Nancy
MT or magneto telluric energy is what every one has trouble with. Its prduced by lighning striking the earth over 6 million times a day and has two forms. One is benign and the other causes physical or psycological problems over a low dose exposure and in the long term 20 years. Your EPA has some information on there web site. It can act in seconds
MT is possibly better appreciated from electrical allpiances or as waste from same, this however is even in more minute quantity and localised by bieng in buildings adding to background. You would appreciate better perhaps if using an EMF meter but the problem with the meater is it shows strenghts but not types of MT’s. It would also react to the ionising radiation present in the building, showing as a hot spot.
A human is far more sensitive than a meter and can tell type of MT. I took Micky to the moors last week and showed him MT in reality up close and personal. He was able after a few minutes to tell the type of MT in buildings hundreds of yards away. He was able to determine which buildings or areas i changed to there correct alighnment.
Contact me by e mail and we will see if can demonstrate MT for you. geofizz11@Gmail.com
Best Wishes
Tony
December 30, 2008 at 10:26 am
This means Micky can tell where Keith is then, or do as he said and get you to dig for him, yes. If so I am glad. The curse of that place will be lifted, but not where the shepherds sleep, or slept. Dowsing is indeed a profession, it is learned. The buildings gone, can they still have this MT.
I pray I do not have to do what I have to do. My prayers are what is the thing Ian is trying to tell me. My waking days over seven years is that someone else would end this puzzle that the pair made that intrigues not only me, but seasoned trackers and police too since 1986.
The answer is not what MT is that Tom Williamson defines and shows in his book, and that my employed dowser who was correct in every detail of ‘map dowsing’ last year, but how is Keith hidden, or buried. Surely that is a question for all the psychics out there I have been asking. One of you tell me how he is buried, not where. None so far can, nor the place, one has supplied a drawing that puts me some hundred yards from where I want to be geologically.
That drawing is exactly as seen on the Moors,but a long way from where map was said to be. Myra said a long, long way. Yes, it was by foot. But you did not need to walk as Ian Brady has disclosed and he has the pictures of mine and the location that he can eat, scoff at or implicate further the man he is naming as the grave digger.
Nancy, you asked of Michael. That is Michael Higgins who on research I found could not have been told as it was. No age in the paper for this accidental drowning as to the age of 13 and 15. Myra due to the time of Whitsun had to be older as 16 or younger depending on her prayer book and confirmation in St Francis.
It is my observation and Tony can check it that a lump of concrete at one location is the piece observed by Micky in another location. Why, is the answer is this so? What does it mean?
Ian has said to me via Giovanni that Ian said to tell me he did not bury Keith. He is still insistant this is not he. Ian Brady cannot help me, yet he said he could pinpoint the grave to 20 paces. Now he cannot.
The photographs sent show as my map did to him in July that I dismissed the map and the location till a chance find that put me in my disciplines of industrial archaeology and asked vital questions. That I continue to do as an academic. In the meantime as Tony knows where my ‘cairn’ is but not how and what it means, it is hoped the dog knows. It is too simple by far.
The best news I could have is that next time the ‘human remains’ are those of the missing boy as an end to this game of Ian Stewart Brady’s. It is not a game for Winnie.
But we go in when we decide is right, and soon. It could be January, it could be now, it could be in February at the right phase of time. More understanding needs to be done. Who knows out of hundreds and thousands of persons who ring and have rang, and the hundreds who have rang me personally one or two could be right. Two have told me exactly what to do and confirmed the energy I felt in a different location as I walked. That they could not have possibly known as no one else did.
Will they be right I do not know. Will this be geologically sound? I must climb higher they said.
The mudslide I saw was in Tennessee, but could be about to happen somewhere else as I am learning to meditate and be protected again. The bridge is still a premonition. Science on the otherhand is factual as it can be replicated and observed. My resources and material are sent to my solicitor as a taped and complete file.
The picture shows the spacial location of time past. This is the alignment of truth. They match perfectly.
December 31, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Micky has now the location and images to work as he pleases. The location ‘mirrors’ Wessenden Head does it not Micky.
I will now send him aan image of an apparition in one that is unquantifiable to how the light struck this. Perhaps some gifted person can interpret what it means from the plethora of persons who can interpret it.
My survey continues as planned.
December 31, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Hi folks,
Jusr to let you know that Micky has a gliche on his computer and cannot put any comments on here but he does come back to read what others have written.
December 31, 2008 at 9:38 pm
That the end for Ian Brady in more ways is nighe I wish for his continued presence in the year 2009. Although he is not as I imagined I am sure that he will want to do the ‘right’ thing. He is out of options now. It is sad to know he is not of the stock of his ancestors.
January 1, 2009 at 8:38 am
Ode to Ian Brady and New Year wishes
“Yes as said above a different time he would be different. I assert if he never left Scotland he would still be in the bookies, drinking wine and telling tall stories perhaps with his head in a book by the banks of the River Clyde as kids safely passed him. ”
I said it and Silly old twit repeated it as a quote from me on this site. I chose it for freedom of speech and radical views that are not journalistic in taking out the emotion and the content to make a story as faked.
My New Year is sat at 7 am in my lakeland parish and home with the fire on and a bowl of Magic Wok’s Special Fried Rice from last nights supper, and a white coffee, one sugar. We have been friends of Chris now for 19 years and ordered the same for that time in all circumstances and all weathers. He has given a cheery smile and good food delivered to rural homes constantly and that is what buying and supporting local businessess is all about.
New Year on the computer was brought in by a friend called Pat, not the same one here, but one I bought an item off that gave a feeling from it, one I instantly told her of. This led to my healing and dolphin listening in the states and my acceptance of what I had as a gift, healing came in a very different way and she is anonymous as my clients are as friends. I do not have a business in my giftedness for it comes from a Higher power than me. My sciences and expertise yes in researching archival and deducing are my practice.
It is wished for 2009 that harmony will prevail and acceptance and why making changes to my thinking and of the ultimate goals for others. One hand may be withered and one may be strong, so in sharing each hand the other becomes healed as an image of thought and healing of hearts and minds
It is my hope the man who is really and always was Ian Duncan Stewart will remember his mothers ancestors and become that little boy before he was whipped in Borstal and sent to so many places that he did not fit. Brady is the name he became and stays in that is hiding his real self. He knows I know that and so does his lawyers.
To know a slum rat you have to have been in the gulleys and Marxist decay of inner city poverty. Not quite absolute poverty, but mental, financial, social, emotional and environmental poverty. Ian was not in most of these due to matriarchal supremacy and his mothers catchment of friends in the tearoom circle of Glasgow. But he is petulant and unforgiving still.
For this start of New Year I send healing to that lost soul of a little boy who could not go home where his mind wanted it to be, to be with a father and be respected, and socially and upwardley mobile in the literary arts and middle class circle. Please all of you see that society can make monsters that are still in the Kleinian phase of sucking their transient object in a dirty pen somewhere, or even starched linen cot. The transient object is the comforter that is the soother that men take as sexual from boy and infant in whatever soother aids that result of calming and comforting.
I go from this long discussion of what makes a monster and what is my New Year wish for society and all that read here and some may understand. Judging is for those who are in power over those who have none.
Therefore, today in this new year take a withered hand that seems soft and warm in a visual sense and give it love and healing. That is how to heal the worlds unloved or felt unloved today. God Bless.
January 8, 2009 at 3:10 pm
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/01/heavy_rain_causing_flooding_ac.html
Mudslide and avalanche. North Carolina.
This is predicted by me as to the New Year in an earlier post.
January 8, 2009 at 8:03 pm
i predict there will be a hurricane in america this year i had a vision last night !!!!!!!
January 9, 2009 at 11:10 am
…what do your predictions have to do with Ian Brady Pauline?? Perhaps, if you’re able to predict, you ought to use your talent to predict whereabouts the police may find the body of that young boy…you know, Keith!
January 9, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Look at when I said it, it was last year and geologically not known, I suppose I am putting my giftedness on here to say not after the fact as inuendo.
Ian was sexually abused. Fact. Is that not so Ian? I know.
Ian really has to look back in the archives.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/system/topicRoot/The_Moors_Murders/
Read every page in the back issues and through up, it is said that John Kilbride was found and that two large rocks, one smaller and one larger were carried off the Moor and that it took five men to do so.
Do not condemn me read it for I am the silly bastard that is using a crow bar with men to find him, not sat in some cosy cabin pontificating my next pay cheque. Yes, I am using both my giftedness after reviling it and it makes sense, but more so the images and data which Mickey is getting in case I cannot continue. All who have worked on this know Brady is out of time.
When he says something he means it. Read his replies historically. I know he is where he is and so does Mickey and no force on earth will stop those who go to see if this is the x marks the spot will deter.
Keith Bennett is in the same energy saving place as to the geology but not the location.
Ian Brady sought revenge on children as he was a wimp and he wants to tell all but someone is stopping him. He is too late. If I do not do this with the five who are with me, then those I have endorsed with more energy and no disabilities will.
Read what Brady says of how he was going to dispose of Evans, and by the way I knew him so tread damn carefully.
I am sick now I read these words of Ian where once I felt compassion and understanding. Sick, but I will still take his ashes and toss them as far as the Clyde will carry them from Mitchells bridge from the 13th Floor when he passes. I have a suite booked now.
He has time to change my vehemous feelings and revulsion and he knows how and what channels to use. Time is running out for him, not us. It is only the weather that is stopping the forklift going in is it not Micky.
Ian Brady is now after reading beyond my contempt.
January 10, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Can i please make it clear to people on behalf of Micky, who cannot post here at the momment due to computer problems, that he is NOT and has NO intention of returning to working with Pauline Badger. He is not taking over “her” work if she cannot continue he has his own work and is not following the same path as Pauline and never will again, that lesson was well and truly learnt when trusts were abused. Pauline has no idea where Micky is or what his findings and intentions are.
Regular readers will know that they have worked together in the past, and he is greatful for that time, but things have changed and Micky is on his own journey with a support network behind him and that is how it will stay.
As for the predictions they are so general they proove nothing, they have nothing to do with keith and are completely pointless apart from ego feeding.
January 10, 2009 at 12:25 pm
” losttheplot Says:
January 8, 2009 at 8:03 pm
i predict there will be a hurricane in america this year i had a vision last night !!!!!!! ”
sorry but this isnt prediction, there is nearly always a hurricane in america every year…..completley pointles and laughable !
January 10, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Micky has not said that at all. He is not with me and I still have sent him the photos his laptop lost. I have his emails and those from Tony but I do not post them here. Nor do I need false prophets.It was in the house I said of the line on a photo and it is here that you said hey there is a line. I did not know that and do not suppose to be a media psychic of famous medium or want to be. I am a qualified academic who wrote here before you found the site.
I say of sending Micky stuff for reasons he alone knows. I was upset last year of the turn that was not known and I have moved on from anger as there is no point. The press laugh at psychics and this is why.
The bandwagon scenario.
I wrote of what is a prediction and nearly always a hurricane in America is not what I said was to happen. I said of a mudslide to see if I could be wrong or right as there are no scripts in what your mind gives you or should be.
The mudslide in North Carolina was not known and I work out of that state. I have an environmental science honours and so can read weather formations.
Again I have seven psychics at present who practice and if even one has the tenacity to go on their own funds to the place they think and find Keith, that is his location then that is my New Year wish. I do not care how my information is used or the archival stuff that is placed here for those to understand.
It is really seven years and that is a challenge I have had to work as well as be student in many disciplines during this time. I do not have the time to devote to the metaphysical and cannot be seen to be a medium as a profession.
I am not going to get into last years angle of who is who as I am now on my second Masters and more advanced courses that are quantifiable.
We all can make mistakes or wrong judgements. Mine was to get upset at the persons who wrote here as we worked feverishly to bring a conclusion.
Pointless and laughable is a negative and so your anger is for something that I am not responsible for Theresa and I know that people can speak for themselves.
My wish has been and still is to go and have someone else find this lad as I have no wish to dig up the remains of a loved one. Not this one. My work outside UK is because I am accredited, that means I am vetted right through my person and my qualifications and my weaknesses and strengths.
I wish all persons with an anger in their hearts healing and not a hurricane. That is a New Year wish not a prediction.
What someone does with data that is empirical is up to them as to their own choice. One thing is certain.
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Keith Bennett has not revealed to any psychic the exact location last year or for 45 years but one. October 1965.
January 10, 2009 at 4:52 pm
my point exactly teresa!!!
January 10, 2009 at 6:12 pm
I am neither angry, i have no need to be, nor am i drunk from brandy and babycham in the middle of the afternoon.
I know micky has sent you mails in the past few weeks, and i am aware of their content. What im trying to say is you make it sound as if he is working for you or with you ,and he is not and wishes this to be known. He is on his own path and would like readers to understand that as he cannot post here himself.
If i seem protective of Micky then yes i admit to that, he is my friend, and we are confidante to each other and have been for a long time. I will not stand by have him ridiculed…then befriended only to be belittled once again by the same person, who it seems to me is trying to make amends.. maybe…but not without reason and not with friendship in mind. Anyone reading this can scroll back and see comments made and the hypocrasy in some of the posts.
When a stone is cast from someones personal life and family situation this is a lowest of blows that can be given, especially when given from one that was trusted and invited into their family home as a friend,some betrayals never heal.
So yes, protective i am, for i know true meaning of trust respect loyalty and friendship, shame others do not.
January 10, 2009 at 7:59 pm
I do not drink in the afternoon, nor I am I overweight.I do know where you live and will be letting social services know.
January 10, 2009 at 8:01 pm
You are not Theresa invisible to the authorities and my lawyer.
January 10, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Mickey is NOT your type.
January 10, 2009 at 8:05 pm
As I drink champagne and not cheap bought food and drink and am affluent and work then you are jealous, I am not an alcoholiic but affluent,. Do not offer me a cup or a mug as I am offended and yes after six I do have vintage brandy and champagne. # But I do not ask the state to pay for it.
January 10, 2009 at 8:13 pm
This person has used a term as slander to say I am drunk in the afternoon, yet at the afternoon I travelled on three trains to go on my own funds to Oldham and walked unaided on the Moor. I am not a recovered alcoholic, a drunk or know what the term means. #
It is better you retract as I now employ a legal person to make you take back that slander, Michael knows I was on the Moor at the time You say that I drink Brandy as fine brandy and Babycham and that I get back at 8 pm. My disability is not due to drink or lazyness as I work. It is that work that gave you the fruits of my work as a gift.
If you do not recount I shall sue you as I know who you are and where you are.
January 10, 2009 at 10:06 pm
…er, ok, if I may say so…this “discussion” seems to have turned into somewhat of a personal argument between Pauline, and well…everyone else who posts here. Honestly, it does seem somewhat pointless to threaten legal action Pauline…this is a forum of free speech, is it not childish to throw such threats about.
…another thing, how can you possibly state so confidently that Ian Brady was sexually abused? I don’t believe for one minute you know that to be a fact…rather a wild assumption on your part.
It seems to me that your interest lies in cryptic argument rather than the wish to aid the authorities or anyone else for that matter, in finding the body of Keith Bennett.
January 10, 2009 at 11:56 pm
pauline, teresa did not state that the brandy and babycham was aimed at you so why take it so personal???? and as for MICKY (not mikey) not being teresa’s type i dont really think that has anything to do with you nor is teresa trying to “score” on micky its not unusual for 2 people of opposite sex to be very close friends, only people that cannot strike that sort of friendship up tend to think it is not possible to be friends with the opposite sex without some sort of hidden agenda so to speak. i have many friends of the opposite sex, does not mean i would like to jump into bed with them, so how you can “threaten” to sue teresa when she did not mention any names is beyond me!!
January 11, 2009 at 12:04 am
oh yes and as for social services, please dont make me laugh, they cannot protect those that need protecting, let alone the ones that dont!!!!!!! i have been reading this board for many many months and up until recently have felt no need to comment but your threats are quite laughable and before you i ask i do not know micky or teresa i am just another blog reader
January 11, 2009 at 1:50 am
Let social services decide that.
January 11, 2009 at 1:52 am
Teresa Says:
January 10, 2009 at 6:12 pm
I am neither angry, i have no need to be, nor am i drunk from brandy and babycham in the middle of the afternoon.
I know micky has sent you mails in the past few weeks, and i am aware of their content.
January 11, 2009 at 1:53 am
Get a solicitor.
January 11, 2009 at 1:56 am
Nancy is fine, Ian and Silly old twit is fine, it is the ones that came here out of boredom that are now the ones who made this since July.
January 11, 2009 at 11:43 am
Micky is not my type no ….Micky is my best friend….and unfortunatley hes not here to speak for himself at this time…but im sure he will do when he can.
I have not said that you were drunk in the afternoon, i merely stated a fact that i was not. I also do not know where the weight issue came into it as i have never mentioned such a thing, i dont deal personal low blows or threats, i state what i see.
You do not know where i live, you have no idea of my personal circumstances, how do you know if i live on the state or no ? and what social services have to do with it i have no idea, do i need sectioning for having an opinion ?? I can assure all of you my mind is extremely sound !
Im afraid freedom of speech seems to be ok as long as it falls in with line with what others think.
I have merely stated facts so as readers are not confused as to where micky stands at this time as a comment was made about him taking over, when that is not nor will be the case.
He is aware of what i have stated and has no problem with what i have said. As i said he is my best friend and i speak to him on a daily basis not only about this but anything that is going on with our lives, we know each other inside out ( not in the bedroom sense may i add ) as true friends. Making statements And alluding to the fact im preying on my best friend is ridiculously childish and behaviour best left in the playground.
What and where others stand is not my concern, and if i feel i have to disagree with someone on my friends behalf as he cannot post at this time then i will. That is what friends do.
Im not worried, people can make as many assumptions about me as they please, i have thick skin and enough intelligence not to take anything personal, as they do not know me, but i will protect those i care for.
January 11, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I have been looking at the comments over the last week or so, amd I think things are getting a bit out of hand.
Micky is a lovely person i quite often speak to him over the phone. Micky and Pauline do not work together or nor is he part of Paulines team.
I think people should get back to the subject in hand and bring little Keith home after all this is what this blog is about. not who said what and when. so please calm down everyone and lets continue in bringing Kieth home. thank you
January 11, 2009 at 1:02 pm
I have never said you were not on the moor you were on the moor on that day, as sure as i walked it the day before. I have also never alluded to you as having any sort of disability, alcoholism or otherwise. I am not even aware you have any disability.Neither is it of any consequence to me nor are threats and cryptic ramblings full of self importance. My friend and untruths told about him are what started this, putting things straight so to speak as Micky cannot speak for himself at this time.
I think if people say what they actually need to say in a simple manner, without journeying around the stars to meet the moon on route, they wont read others post and read into it what they wish to see not what is actually said. If i wish to say something i shall say it, i have no reason to confuse or hide as that achieves nothing, and neither does fabrication of truths.
January 11, 2009 at 5:29 pm
No way was Ian Brady sexually abused, Daivd Smith on the other hand was.
Paula you know jack shit, you make your claims sat in front of your pc, and as your bottle of Brandy gos down your stories get wilder.
Any letters sent to Brady from you have gone in the bin,he would never respond to you, and as for visiting, dont make me laugh, he has no visitor rights, stop living in a fantasy world.
January 12, 2009 at 2:36 pm
I agree with Pat, things here are getting incredibly childish. It’s Keith that matters, the peace of mind that his mother will gain once she is able to bury his remains.
Pauline, stop this nonsense. Threats of legal action and wild claims that Ian Brady was sexually abused, what point is there is saying such things?
It is actually rather threatening to suggest that you are aware of where readers of this blog live, and post flip comments suggesting they require a solicitor…not to mention rather pathetic.
January 12, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I am in receipt of an email sent to Micky from Pauline suggesting that me and him are cohabiting and she will be reporting us to authorities !!! im giggling at the thought as we live 400 miles from each other !!!
So she is sending threats to someone knowing they cant reply. Pathetic indeed.
January 13, 2009 at 12:32 am
Got it confirmed today that Paula Badger has not in no way given or sent any money to Winnie Johnson, and Winnie has never received a coat either.
Now who is sick, this is were it all stops now, this is not fare now as Winnie does not need these lies
January 13, 2009 at 11:13 am
Well said Mark, indeed she does not. She have suffered enough over the years!
February 1, 2009 at 7:16 pm
AHolmes
Today I saw the coat and the money that was meant for Winnie. It had been posted to Christies hospitalbecause Winnie once worked there. Paula did not know Winnies address and thought they might get ti to her. So yes you are right Winnie never recieved it but it was not for want of trying on Paula’s behalf. As for calling her sick ? who the hell died and made you God!!! I knew Winnie personally I met with her many times and believe me after all the pain she has been through not recieving a coat will mean nothing !!!
February 1, 2009 at 7:17 pm
That was meant for mark not AHolmes
February 2, 2009 at 10:29 pm
To be honest, and to be quite frank…who gives a toss who met who, who was involved in what and so on and so forth. Like I said before, it’s Winnie that matters in all of this. NOT the gain of personal glory.
February 5, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Absolutly could not agree more so why are there so many bitchy nasty comments on this site .
February 5, 2009 at 3:37 pm
most of them coming from people who dont know Winnie but think they know what she wants and they dont!
February 5, 2009 at 3:39 pm
And I give a toss about people making comments about Winnie without knowing her. And lets face it there are quite a few people on this site that are out for fame and personal glory. I could name many but I wont you know who you are.
February 5, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Here comes the other one now lol.
I wonder who sold their story to the press then and im not going to say any more, fame and glory, deary deary me.
June 21, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Any stories sold to the press where for the benefit of those involved in other words Winnie received any money earned from stories sold
February 6, 2009 at 9:48 am
Ugh, could it get any more petty…look there, I think I see the real reason we should care, it’s quickly fading on the horizon.
June 21, 2011 at 8:55 pm
shut up
February 6, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Lydia No one is making Comments about Winnie, what people are making comments about is that Pauline said she sent a coat and money which was supposed to have been sent to Winnie, but ended up at the hospital where Winnie used to work, and Winnie never recieved it which was true because it was still at the hospital, and i may add that no one is seeking fame and fortune, you know as well as I when Keith is brought home the person involved in the finding of Keith will be hounded by the press, so the publicity will automaticely come to the person who brings Keith home and fortune, but have you thought that the person involved may not keep the money for themselves there are a lot of good causes out there you shouldnt judge a book by the cover we are not all the same
February 6, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Mark and Pat I know what story and paper you are talking about and if you had paid attention to anything going on around you, you would know that the only reason the story was sold to the newspaper was to benifit Winnie (mobility scooter ) and for no other reason. No fame came out of it what so ever. So get your facts right acid tonques. Fame came from years of hard work not from one story you muppetts. I worked to help other people for over ten years without pay I do try to make a difference. I think you are the ones judging I could not care a jot about anything other than bringing closure to Winnie full stop so when you lot stop judging others then I will stop judging you !!!!
February 6, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Get a life you sad people. I have never heard so many so up their selves people in my life and I think that the green eyed monster raises its head now an then.
sour grapes ??
February 6, 2009 at 3:26 pm
No need for anyone to reply to me I will not be commenting or visiting this sad little site again you are far to narrow minded for me !!
February 6, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Lydia I do not know what story you are talking about how the dickens would i know. If you got publicity for the right reasons that fine by me, and good for you buying Winnie a mobility scooter. I also do a lot for others also but I dont brag about it, I do it quietly and also it takes a Muppet to know what a muppet is and I for one I am not, and I am certainly not a green eyed monster far from it and what right have you got to imply that I am one. I do not like your attitude and the way which you have assumed you know me. so you do not have the right to judge me I am the judge of myself and my maker and I am quite happy with myself
June 21, 2011 at 8:56 pm
I was not bragging I was answering a accusation of gaining from selling stories
February 10, 2009 at 7:27 pm
whatever am I bothered ??
February 10, 2009 at 8:59 pm
wow thought i was on a catherine tate message board there for a minute!!
February 10, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Whatever ! LMAO
February 11, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Seems not, as per your words Absolutly could not agree more so why are there so many bitchy nasty comments on this site . Seems like you cause the problem Lydia
February 11, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Seems not, as per your words Absolutly could not agree more so why are there so many bitchy nasty comments on this site . Seems like you cause the problem
February 11, 2009 at 10:59 pm
you might as well be on catherine tate as on here they all think there comedians. How the hell can I be the cause of the bitchy comments when I have only just started to comment ??? The bitchy comments have been going on this site for ages lol Get Real Pat !!!!!
February 11, 2009 at 11:03 pm
am I bovvered does this face look bovvered to you ? face am I bovvered. I AINT BOVVERED !!!!!!!
February 11, 2009 at 11:22 pm
I must admit I am also not bothered i find it quite amusing, i thought you wasnt going to post anymore on here but the fish is on the hook and we keep reeling you in.
February 13, 2009 at 10:45 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…ahem, idiots, much!?
June 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm
I fell so sorry for you
February 13, 2009 at 11:28 am
I see half terms started early on Twit lol
February 14, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Nice one Teresa hahahaha
February 15, 2009 at 1:47 am
PAT OH ha ha ha pat for gods sake get a a life and go out more you jumped up pompus little shit !!!
February 15, 2009 at 1:48 am
Teresa your talking through your arse just goes to show you know nothing lol
February 15, 2009 at 1:49 am
Hey takes one to know one holmes !!
February 15, 2009 at 1:51 am
Pat i get reeled in as long as I want to you are not in control ok ??
February 15, 2009 at 1:52 am
No one reels me in unless I let them
February 15, 2009 at 1:55 am
sad little site sad little minds
February 15, 2009 at 2:56 am
Just a note with a message from Micky whos computer wont let him post here at the moment! He would like to thank all those who have shown continuous support and let you all know that he is still working on the task he has set himself and things are moving forward, slowly, but forward all the same.
Contact with the GMP has been made and received with much interest, although he cant at this time divulge to the public the information that has been passed on, it is a new line of enquiry that just may hold the key being searched for.
Fighting amongst ourselves, with total strangers holds no interest, a conclusion to this story is all that matters, for those that seek the truth and for those who wish their loved ones to be laid to rest.
Thanks again for the support, and we shall keep you informed of any developments.
Micky sends blessings to you all, and hopes to post himself on the near future.
February 15, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Oh My i did have good chuckle thank you, for brighten up my life. OH ha ha ha pat for gods sake get a a life and go out more you jumped up pompus little shit !!! Was the mirror in front of you and you got the name wrong. Pat i get reeled in as long as I want to you are not in control, seems to me you throw your dummy in the corner is that being in control.
We`ll said Teresa yes we are here for one only to bring Keith home to his mother, and im pleased that contact has been made with the GMP and they are interested.
February 15, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Hi Pat it is good news for sure as they are listening to what he has to say, and i must say what he has come across makes perfect sense and fits like a glove. Much like my arse that seems to speak more sense then some peoples brains ;o)
February 16, 2009 at 2:08 pm
..Teresa, I must say, you give great hope to those everywhere, burdend with the gift of being able to speak out of their arse. I would like to take a moment to acknowledge the wise words of Teresa’s arse. Join me, please.
On a serious note, it is good to hear news of Micky, bless him.
February 16, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Thankyou Holmes, it is indeed a great honour to be able to speak such sense out of ones arse, and if my arsey words give hope to others then it is worth the petty insults, which neither my brain or arse ( take your pick ) could not give a stuff about. It would take one hell of a lot more intelligence than is shown above to insult anyone with half a brain let alone ones arse
)
February 17, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Hear, hear
April 18, 2009 at 7:34 pm
OK, things have been quiet for a long time over there. Anything new? Anything going on at all?
April 19, 2009 at 11:49 am
It’s just the calm before the storm….
April 19, 2009 at 4:38 pm
…meaning?…
April 29, 2009 at 11:35 pm
…yes, meaning what exactly??
April 29, 2009 at 11:51 pm
‘sorry I opened my mouth now….
April 30, 2009 at 9:29 pm
…please don’t be, you’ve made some interesting observations on this subject.
May 28, 2009 at 1:18 pm
hey i can type lol and yeh it is quiet..i do like the quote from Lou `the quiet before the storm`..things seemed to av gone quiet after peoples steam letting off moments bk in feb..so i av a quick update of where i am .. nothing as stopped at this end and is motoring along ..not at a speed i like but it is still motoring..most of what i need to tell as i said way back is to the right set of ears to listen..a website is in production and will be open soon concerning Keith Bennett more will be posted on this when ready.
Winnie (Keiths mum) is fine and as a new team of people around her who are battling to get things in motion and give her the funeral she so wants her son to be given. so as you see all as not stopped just nothing much to state as of yet…
so plzed i can type on here it was getting on my nerves i could onnly get pages up then froze and had to reset pc.. never mind maybe i wasnt meant to be yapping on at the time ..blessings all Micky xx
May 28, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Ian is well know to Adam and the Valkyrie is with him. It is because he is not able to find Keith in the Roaches where the Valkyrie is nor the place on the images.
Ian has the medal is in in direct contact as Adam knows. Christine also knows that.
Due to the turn Ian has taken he has to wait. It is my belief that Keith Bennett is in the photograph due to information received directly from Ian’s own hand to another. I am indebted to Adam. Ian knows it.
Ian Brady will not die this year or next year, but will suffer a fall of some sort.
May 29, 2009 at 3:21 pm
typical of the so called psychic community. no wonder keith has never been found. it was reasoned science and research that led to the children being found not you lot. claiming science has not found him is a reason to listen to these crackpots is laughable. listen to yourselves arguing like a schoolyard about things you know nothing about!
the research and search into keith bennetts whereabouts has been hampered and distorted by the psychics more than anyone else, even brady and hindley. believe what you want personally but to use a dead boy to make your own powers seem real to everyone else is evil itself.
shame on you!
May 31, 2009 at 3:25 am
Hurray! Finally some news!
Micky: So glad to hear you are still in it and things are still moving along, albeit slowly. The website sounds like a good idea. It’s good to know Winnie is doing well and has a support team around her. Sorry for all your computer problems!
Pauline: So nice to hear from you again. I have missed all your background knowledge and discussion (not the dissention, of course). I was a little confused about your last post. Can you explain a little more clearly? Also, who is Adam?
June 11, 2009 at 7:36 pm
I am with CARLA BARON now and Adam Walsh and have shunned UK antagonists who do not understand science. I am watching as I know at this very moment Ian Brady watches the film he wanted.
Keith is not alone, nor is as he says himself is he the main actor. Terry says that as well.
I have not got media money or fame and do not wish it. Ian knows thanks to the others Keith Bennett’s remains will never be found and hence a myth that makes money for those who have not the money or courage to find or dig for his grave.
June 11, 2009 at 7:41 pm
I REPEAT.
Keith Bennett, the juvenile has never been laid to rest or buried on geologically named spacial distance as Saddleworth Moor. I stake my life on it.
He is much nearer.
June 15, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Hi everyone For those who do not know Carla Baron is known as a psychic medium and psychic profiler and has done much television work in the US.
June 15, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Pauline:
Did you actually meet with Adam Walsh and Carla Baron? Are they/she considering doing a TV profile of the search for Keith’s body?
You said that Keith is not buried on Saddleworth Moor. Where do you think he might actually be buried? And why do you think Keith will never be found?
Also, what do you mean when you said: “Keith is not alone, nor is as he says himself is he the main actor.”?
June 25, 2009 at 6:56 am
I have spoken to Carla Baron on the telephone at her insistance and formed a blog. I need time to think on what she says as she is flying over to see her ‘fans’ and I am introducing her to a known UK ‘Psychic Detective’ if they will agree. I do not know what yet the form will be and she has expressed an open mind. I will do the same as I did for Christine Hamlett and show trust as to putting on the blindfold at a location and letting her go with the express permission of my long time friend and owner of the 1200 acres known as Myra’s ‘Gods Garden.
I do honour the landowners as one myself and treat them with integrity as I follow the knowledge of farming and of rural pursuits that ‘townies’ would not understand.
A source has said that if Ian Brady is intimating he did not act alone, and verbally says so he is saying that he could not do certain tasks. I believe him. More so after the listening to Adam Walsh who writes to him and perhaps is less biased than there is a respect for that for that person.
I work as a volunteer with Cuecentre as a geological mapper of terrain and fund my own excavations and surveys and pay for all the expenses of all the teams and those who wanted to learn of the land to make other inroads to this as my agency. Not one has led me to any region of interest that is sound psychologically or geologically.
Ian Brady knows all the random digging by amateurs and there are hoards of them who engage me as there are serious geological investigators some of which I have employed including a dowser who finds water in Africa. These persons are not cheap to hire, but I have found that there are places he cannot be, Keith that is.
Nancy, you ask of my posts above.
Well, to answer. Three heads of three Spiritualists Churches including the one in Northwich, Cheshire and the one where Amanda Malloy is said to have been a member and cast out for gestures of an inappropriate nature and one that worked with Doris Stokes said the same. Keith Bennett will never be exhumed, found, located.
All in the same form of the Spiritualist of the days in the 50′s and 60′s and one said her brother who went down at sea in the war came to tell her.
Now do I believe that three elderly, very gentle souls who do not have the charisma of some and who are very humble and have nothing to gain are worth listening to? Yes.
Do I now see that the agencies of psychics now at war with each other as Winnie Johnson as the main stakeholder to be seen and photographed next to as the agency of will for those persons other than seeing that logic is not prevailing are at work? Yes.
My thoughts and letters and comments to Ian are and will remain private but the police are well knowing of my attempts and do not invite amateurs to do what they are trying to do. That is to try and make for themselves credibility.
No, Keith is not on the land written as Saddleworth Moor, explicite as the acreage looking from the so called vantage point where there is a cave and his initials to the side to the reservoir later known as Dovestones where the old mansion of Ashway Gap loomed from the left.
Nor is he on the route that is down to Rimmon Pit Cottage going to this region and as farmer Chris Crowther has taken me to all these and more as his birthright and land of Daniel Crowther his grandfather then is Keith at Wessenden Head – Hoe Grain and Shiney (sic) Brook.
I say that after nine years now of observing and listening and being taken by many psychics and many prospectors of the land in many ways. Being a member of many historical societies as an academic is different than reading a novel or books on this case from journalists and editors. The truest one is by the mother of Lesley Anne Downey. If I spell it wrong it is due to my dyslexia and spinal injuries where pain is often my friend and not my antagonist.
When those who come who do not know the land and dig and disturb it is hard for the police and geologists to determine where land has been disturbed and so there is a mess. What is where and who is laying red herrings to thwart the others who they pit there wits against as sinful exploitations of the land and of the victim. Most forget that a 12 year old is not a child as in the murders that have come later, he is a juvenile in today’s world and then. He would be savvy enough, wise enough to know his abductors and hence as Brady knows Myra not he chose them as stalked and predated victims and not random unknowns.
That is my view due to the research and from knowledge of the regions as more intense than drive by inspections. Due to this there is a pattern.
I had thought the film from ITN as a full set of all the clips of the pair and of the days they were filmed on the Moor were at a certain location near to the others. Chris, the farmer has confirmed that the clip seen is not where the photo was taken as to the ones reconstructed as Hollin Brown Knoll. The film clip shows and says Myra asked to be taken and was to THREE PLACES. The location of the one she engages as I told a certain person is with some eagerness of purpose and so I ask why?
Because that fits the pattern and unsure of what to do next I have to wait, wait for Ian as he has left enough clues to indicate that he is still an active as I was told by his former Probation Officer, now retired a fantasist, a man trapped in the film world of the 1930′s American Film.
Therefore, if he is a fantasist and has as known confessed to murders as in two of the ‘eleven perfect murders’ in the MEN written in October 1965 he is again using fantasy.
Keith will be in a place where an event eclipsed this historically, as appropriation. The pattern does not change, and for that you have to look at the fact that Myra’s father was a parachute man in the army and ariel views would be common in films of that era on the newsreels. I am not saying he is implicated, but that Myra would have geological knowledge of the Moor as newsreels recorded wartime crashes in black and white in the 1950′s which those born after would not see as relevant to this psyche of Myra.
Weather conditions and the need to inspect all the graves for animal and human predation and for signs that Harold or Daniel Crowther and the farm labourers would be vital to the self preservation of those placing burials on the Moors using vehicles not suited to overland driving.
I cannot go into more detail and feel drained as many have sapped my energy and my moral by diverse anger and by this sinister game of tag with Winnie. I do not want to find Keith, nor do I want to meet Winnie. I want to let the right qualified people with me find what is factual and that includes respecting those now very ill, and those who still value my integrity. Not rushing in, but observing by the air now. The use of arial views is one that leads me to think that some terrain in some times is not safe to consider, nor available due to access restrictions.
But if Keith Bennett is to be found, there is a simple logic that Ian Brady is a man really who exudes a lot of charisma and charm, how easy he wooed those who took his generosity of money and food. Ale and food in other words. A traveller, or gypsy is the best source to know the land as it is to what Ian might have seen hidden as he was with his long legs curled up under him in the moonlight. A nightwatchman no less. Think of that and where a man might do so and perhaps some bright spark might see that it is not on open land, and had shelter from the elements on all three sides.
That is my total and open discussion of my views not cast by anyone else’s views, but my own. Well known and exploited by some, yet these ongoing industrial archaeology researching hours are pivotal to this process. I now charge for this form of research for films and for documentaries and write as I can give the factual references of a practical science to prove why and where that came from as cross referencing of factual data.
June 26, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Deeply troubled. Read my compatible blog with kindness and understanding.
June 26, 2009 at 8:44 pm
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June 27, 2009 at 4:14 am
Pauline:
I appreciate your extensive post on the search for Keith. I hope something will come out of all the availed resources.
I hope Winnie has achieved some kind of peace despite the eventuality that Keith may never be found. It seems she has, based on what I have read (if her words and thoughts have been reported accurately). Still, we are all on the quest for Keith for Winnie, some of us (like you) in actual earnest deeds and actions, and some of us (like me)only earnestly in our thoughts and hearts. Deep sigh.
Your blog is very interesting. I wonder if we (the public) will ever know what really happened. I am not surprised. I am actually surprised he lived as long as he did. Very sad person and sad life in spite of all the fame and glory. His death is just about the only thing on our news here.
June 27, 2009 at 7:54 pm
The worst is yet to come. Michael was a very astute person. I do not know why this vision that is now a day later in the press as to a substance that ‘shut down his body’. I do know he is with Diana.
For me that is hard to come to terms with as I am a skeptic of myself and more so those that want money for what is really a gift from God, or a circus performance. I have incurred the wrath of academics who have exposed the repeated acts of discourse analysis of performing mediums as taped one to one readings.
But I would do Randi’s challenge were I to fit the criteria to find out what is this strange thing that tells me things I should not know.
Keith Bennett has always given me songs. The Hollies as Eccles group I knew from Bridgewater Hall in Eccles by the old Barton Power Station.
I will add to my blog and am creative. Thank You, Nancy.
Michael Jackson will have a funeral to surpass all others even the King, Elvis Presley. It will be a show on earth. Remember Neverland now will be the new Graceland. For Michael he never had joy. Now up there perhaps he has peace from his critics and oppressors.
I did not and do not believe he did the things that he was charged with in his lifetime. Two magpies flew today and I thought I heard ‘earthsong’ as they flew.
June 28, 2009 at 11:03 am
Nancy, Winnie Johnson like all mothers of murdered children joined the support group, Mothers against Murder and Aggression. I can tell you this is no new found support group as Mrs Bulger and Sarah Payne are members and having long spoken to the founder when I had found clues and a location and geological evidence of a pattern I had told her and she has and had told Winnie all along.
She has a large and supportive Mancunian family in the people around her, past and current detectives and legal advocates that include her pro bono lawyer and spokesperson David Kirwan of Kirwan Solicitors in Liverpool. A more eminent and qualified uncomplicated team of people who do not use her as a waxworks effigy.
Long into the night I have spoke to David Kirwan who reviles and dismisses ‘kooks and cranks’ as he calls the timewasters with theories or visions in their hundreds over the twenty odd years of the revelations of Ian Brady to Fred Harrison in the spring of 1986.
Having won the battle of integrity he knows I sit and wait and recoup my batteries and finances for I pay these kooks and cranks some of whom are far better of than me even though I live in a house that is worth over 1.5 million dollars. I am a gentle soul and so eager to be reclusive, but am not fazed to be God’s Samaritan when he calls. Often it is that which others miss. I know without thinking pain and have not failed where others have been in lifethreating situations, I have never gone to bed and said sod it. But I am not a martyr, the nuns taught me that as I am but a worthless unit indoctrinated since childhood of the sins of boastfulness and of the act of humility and washing the feet of the poor as a visual statement of worth in my mind and soul.
There are many missing, and why my sciences so vast are helping is not how the leader of the Spiritualist Churches see it. I have been inspired by Carla and of the Boston Spiritualist Church the ‘Oneness Centre’ as to moral and person support and councelling as I too fall and repair is neccessary. Some want to destroy me in more ways than one as the tone is greed and fake props as stimulating that manic ego.
Yet I know after nine years now alone with the help of the farmer who owns the land and one handed John who is the best metalurgical detecting agent who knows the land from his boyhood if there is a sign God will have lent a hand to reveal as HE did Lesley Anne Downey and also Pauline Reade, and if reading Mounsey as I have researched that sudden intuition and knowledge of his boyhood led him to the channel in Far Rough Clough and the rest we know as scientific fact.
There was only one person Ian Brady feared, and why Myra Hindley used her ploys on those in power for she understood from her degree in the HUMANITIES the wording and application of the Fraudulent Mediums Act. She would have used it in the words of her so called mentors who were in office such as Lord Longford and others in the circle of penal welfarism as liberal activists of lifers in the prison system.
That person he mentions in the book of his own, that person was interviewed in Manchester and said of a child in October of 1965 before any children were found and it was in the news that………
There is a child, down a slope in a concrete room… now none of the children so far have been found in a manmade shelter, she could have said the other words that were true of the other three, two found days after the statement and the one found in 1987 in the future but he or she did not. Ian Brady in his book and his words and songs to another is illustrating this knowledge is true as he says of validity in Gates of Janus.
Mr Topping on the ITN clip says of others than the two named specifically so there is still an open cold case file on others which is what I fear when probing using the dowsers results, historical data and of the pattern of which Ian in reply is now discounting.
He watched and did not dig, he did what he always did and bragged to David Smith a nomadic sporadic gypsy soul who did not respond to this older man’s drunken ramblings. He took note only when as I believe the murder of Eddie Evans occurred and he fled. By nine am the next day it is my view that David Smith would have been arrested by Gorton police as Myra well dressed in white blouse and shorthand notepad had already the evidence of the kill and the note of antisocial behaviour and teddy boys to have David hung by the neck.
That note is in the public domain. It says clearly antisocial behaviour in those terms of reference then and not the eviction for rent arrears as is claimed as the vital pivotal reason for the death of a technical white collar worker who lived and worked in Trafford Park, the industrial basin then.
With this in mind the map I drew of what Myra said leads me to the Manchester Victims of which Keith and Pauline are the only ones in direct doorstep vicinity to killer Myra Hindley and her stalking object, her loaned and bought cars.
The other two as Eddie and Lesley Anne are from her days of her own living style. Ian in the bookies and the last race and regaling with the others in the pubs on Leibfraumilch could not have cared less for the waltzer and the fast sixties music, nor could be dance. Nor could he hold his bowels or his drink.
June 29, 2009 at 7:52 am
I hope someone takes note, in contrast to what Ian Brady denies, he did bury Keith, does know where he is and he has illustrated that by the bracketed listing of four theme songs from the films he recorded.
It takes me on a journey to the location on my drawn graphic and measures with what I have learned of his mentality and psyche. He knew I would interpret it and like a lizard in the heather of Scotland all he had to do was wait for the pawn to be passed.
He will continue to send morsels in his book and in writing as he is astute and very clever at this game. It is the only one he knows for he is not the star in the ‘angels with dirty faces’ he so adored and ponders on. Will he do the right thing in the end, I believe he will emulate the ‘angel’ who was executed in the film. I know this is his main waking thought for a fact and has been a contemplative thing for over 50 years of ‘doing the right thing’ or not till the very end as his mentor is the fictional priest and angel in the film as real, that of Pat O Brien.
Ian is like computer game, he is inside the character and cannot escape, he lives it in reality in black and white and why he blames the lad he was not still. He has to be the main angel, the baddy. You see?
I am sorry for letting this out, but time has said enough.
It is no accident that the words John and then
N B K come distinctly above Ian as you know. Nor the brackets and the world should know your games of fantasy and playfulness, mischief if Myra had not gone one step further with things you were incapable of performing – the failed bank robber, thug and macho man.
The failed big man who feared pain and suffering and ridicule. For that you are no failure, there is no failure in returning to that angel and the purpose so that others do not admire what you Ian Brady set out to fulfil – panic, mayhem and horror, just as Hitler did in his ranting manical states. Yet he died a coward historically, taking his family with him to the grave. An idealist in Roman iconography of insane leadership and demons.
I do believe as that tape is a list of the themes that the first four written are the message to where Keith is in the way he does things in that ordered list.
Police were told of this list at the NPIA as to the brackets and the four film names.
Ian wants money and dvd’s and photographs as he has not the money to get them. A £20 note cut in half is on its way to Ian, he gets the other half when he replays the game to me.
As I said Ian, I need from you in your words, ‘feel – felt – found’. Until then you are faking it.
You know how to contact me as does Giovanni. It is soon to be July and another anniversary past.
July – Ian. July could be where you win the ‘game’.
NBK was understood.
July 1, 2009 at 11:25 am
I have just seen the news that police are calling off their search for Keith unless new major evidence comes to light. How very sad for the family and friends. I pray that someone, somewhere will find that evidence and be listened to with an open ear, and those searching off their own back will not give up hope of laying a child to rest.
July 1, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I agree Teresa people can make donations to help finding Keith and bringing him home to his mum this is Winnie`s website http://www.keithbennett.moonfruit.com/
July 1, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I agree Teresa its very sad that the police are giving up the search for Keith, Winnie has her own website now http://www.keithbennett.moonfruit.com/ so anyone who would like to donate to winnie so that we can keep on looking for Keith
July 8, 2009 at 10:43 pm
My blog and active invasive action steps up a pace with the encouragement of those who have Ian Brady’s best interests at heart and those who value a scientist who does ask others for opinions and the access rights of the farmer.
It is now sure that Keith Bennett was never at Shiney Brook or the unseen Grain at all. Failure is obvious and it is to note this.
Norman Sutton a serving police officer from Gorton named in Myra’s memories as one of her official uniformed ‘lays’ and married the time bought two weeks later the murder decrepit van, a grocers van for what use? #
In Topping the chief of GMP says then in his ‘autobiography’ a Myra totalitarian book that he too booked the Ford Anglia which took John Kilbride to this death two weeks later, read the book.
So which Gorton police officer sold, hired or rented or bought the mini flatbed which took the body of Keith Bennett to its resting place on the Moors where I am excavating in the vicinity?
Again who bought the mini traveller as the song says ‘ two out of three aint bad’.
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July 11, 2009 at 5:56 am
Lone tree is lone no more. For the path I trod in June that caused Ian to freak is where faint hearted would not go. Two out of three. The song he gives me,again my brain is hurting for it is now unlocked that at http://www.highbeam.com a pay for view search engine with a free trial is where Ian says of a psychic who was written of in the newspapers who got the loci as right location twice and feared for the third one, but she did not come back again. Nor would she for she died. I believe that was Doris Stokes and she knew not to say more. Does she from the grave to him and to others.
Two out of three aint bad is for Ian then to believe and me to I suppose. She got two right out of three.
The Lone tree has one leg and its mate far away has two, shattered and torn like Hell in the City.
Watch the film and decide if Myra as the town killer made the connection. I did and the sidekick with me.
He simply adored shopping in Lewis’s and in Piccadilly and under the arches where the tearoom was that is now g Mex as former Central station to Liverpool and where the army bus went from as the bus station. Yet here on Hell is a City with Stanley Baker is the scenes I can remember at the time and the old or new then Piccadilly bus station.
I wonder will you ask him if he remembers the woman who crashed through the glass arcade off the roof of Lewis’s in 1965 in the June as I was there when she fell.
Its all there in the film.
July 12, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Ian Brady cannot have mail, certain types that is. C
July 17, 2009 at 12:56 pm
hi all just a quick note to let u all know that there is now an official site in the search for Keith that is for Winnie and states what she wishes to let us all know.. it as been built around and for her as the team get together and increase the search..plz come and register and join us .. will continue to post on `sillyoldtwit` as it was here that began the journey for me and i must send a big ty for being allowed the chance to speak ..Winnie is doing fine and is thankful of everybodies input and hopes to see you all in site again a big ty to `sillyoldtwit` http://www.keithbennett.moonfruit.com/
February 21, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Hello, Might I just say that whilst I have shared various emails with Paula Badger I have never met her or shared anything more than the knowledge that I write now and then with Brady – Im not sure why she feels so indebted to me, or why she feels the need to mention my name here repeatedly. I would prefer to keep my name out of the “limelight” in relation to such matters.
February 16, 2011 at 12:28 am
Then stop visiting every weird site you can and stating you write to Brady!!!!!!!!!! And remember that woman is as weird and two-faced as you are!
February 24, 2010 at 9:31 am
i would like to preface this comment by mentioning that i have in fact written brady and recieved several replies, including a cassette tape for christmas ( a bit creepy). i have always been fascinated with the case and probably always will be. i am certainly not the bloodthirsty, pro-death penalty sort, but i must say this.
ian brady is in no way a working class hero. he is not at all any sort of pioneer, he is not testing the bounds. he murdered and raped children. that is not a profound concept. that is not a new sort of crime. the only distinction brady has is that he was the first to be brought to trial using a tape recording as evidence. yes, he is fascinating, but to paint him as anything other than a babykiller and child fucker is venal. doubtless all the artful imaginings and underpinnings of your argument would not suffice to calm you were you suddenly magically transformed into a child getting painfully violated and then buried on the moors. then all your concepts would be shown to be what they are- the comfortable imaginings of one safely at home and far from harm. art and philosophy are the comforts of the safe. you have no real idea of what pain, evil, tragedies and horrors you play so thoughtlessly with.
March 11, 2010 at 10:33 pm
How much is overnight shipping?
March 15, 2010 at 7:29 pm
I, too, use a pit-bull who stands out as the most loving animal I’ve ever owned. Quickly, a new dog breed will appear together for the media to blast, as they have done rotties and dobies in preceding many years. Unfortunate that media sensationalism breeds so much inaccurate facts.
March 17, 2010 at 3:02 am
great post thanks very much
March 21, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Lets not romantisize or glamourise these events anymore. These were tragic crimes and it’s time to lay them to rest.
Forgiveness is the only way to find peace now for both the families and the culprits – learn to take responsibility and to forgive yourself.
March 7, 2011 at 3:08 am
Badger is a fucking lunatic.
May 26, 2011 at 6:46 pm
This is the strangest discussion I’ve ever seen.
July 18, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Try taking the medicine for those paranoid delusions and command hallucinations all those who have made such none clinical psychology diagnosis and longed for media fame. I can sit without fear listening to Chief Constables as to my disciplines and yes Micky will have to attest that I did have this strange song of Matchstickmen then that is revealed with more study and not medication. Use your own name and so do not BKA address me as Badger and the term of a commoner for I can demand your IP to find out who you are that makes such statements. Alina, I concur with you as to this madness. It is about selling false information, and though I may have gone where taken it is not due to profit, nor is it due to greed. I have changed my view as Myra’s map is authentic when having greater qualifications to know of this and the use of google earth. I have also had to think of my own family and my own health. Some people act like this on the Madeleine forums to get a rise out of decent law abiding persons.
July 18, 2011 at 6:12 pm
To the webmaster I need to know the IP addresses for my solicitor that have made libelous comments. My solicitors are Clarkson Hirst and will take action. Please see to this so as this cyberbullying by those who are not named can be interviewed and prosecuted.
December 31, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Just like to say that Paula badger is a pain in the butt and thinks she knows everything , shes a stalker to a friend and has been banned from our site. I would also like to say that what we have on this subject will soon be told , and that what we have is more important ……………….
January 20, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Why is Paula Badger a pain? Please explain?. Your comments Reveals alot about how u deal with difference of opinions! U are blaming and playing the victim to get people on your side.
U can never undo what has been written Erica, temper your frustrations.
January 7, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Paula the stalker is who I believe to be the one who badgered Brady and wanted to publish letters , that she was banned from doing so, in the GATES OF JANUS the forward mentions a lady who did this, I now believe that she is known by the police for being just this,,,, wheres the Paula badger mscbec blahhhblahhhh then you seem to go on a bit about your letters you say you have after your name, you know nothing ….. and a dear friend of mine who warned me of you was right about you….. so Dr Conway or any other person who writes about Brady ignore )))))
January 20, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Your desperate to engage in conflict.. Use your energy to help rather than to distract from the issue of those poor victims.
January 19, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Sick in the head, like my ex who was Gregory. I have emails to ask for said person to go on the Moor as to permission, I am not a stalker and so Erica I shall be taking legal action with my solicitor to have you served for libel. I did not badger Brady as I knew him in his lifetime and I did not badger the landowner either, but someone you know so well my dear did ‘badger’ me. So very stupid of you as now you will be have a summons served. I am a Patron and one who has credibilty so bring it on, and as for my Masters that I was awarded, where are yours?
January 20, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Woman – talk sense. Your desperate to engage in conflict.. Use your energy to help rather than to distract from the issue of those poor victims.